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1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 1:06 p.m.

So, I'm biking late morning today a few miles east of Richmond International (RIC) when I hear, then see a flight of two aircraft, flying in formation.  Twin engine, turboprop?, B-24 style tail, wings had an upward tilt out towards the wingtip.  Predominant color was either white or silver, but I feel there was some blue and yellow on the tail.  Planes were large-ish, but not huge. 

What did I see?

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 1:22 p.m.

Something with this approximate conformation, but I do not think they were Beechcraft Model 18's.

 

beech

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/11/22 1:25 p.m.
aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/11/22 1:34 p.m.

Beechcrafts are extremely rare now because of wing spar corrosion issues.  Also, this...

Plane Talking - HyperScale's Aircraft Scale Model Discussion Forum: I ...

Yes, actual picture.  The stuntman flew a Beechcraft THROUGH a billboard!!

 

There used to be a Lockheed Electra Junior with a turboprop conversion that used to fly around me a lot (haven't seen it in a while).  Can't find a pic of a conversion, this one is stock.

Lockheed 12-A Electra Junior - Taxis Aeriens | Aviation Photo #1908997 | Airliners.net

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 1:35 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :

Possible, I suppose.  I really didn't get the impression these were antique aircraft, and I'm pretty sure the engines were turboprop based on the sound.  And the wings looked longer than either the Beech or the Lockheed.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
10/11/22 1:36 p.m.

Sikorsky M28?



Or maybe a Short C23?

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/11/22 1:39 p.m.

Twin Mustang?!  (there is only one flying):

The XP-82 Twin Mustang flies again.[1600x900] : WeirdWings

OV10 Bronco? (firefighting spotter plane)

North American Rockwell OV-10A Bronco | Us military aircraft, Fighter ...

trucke
trucke SuperDork
10/11/22 1:45 p.m.

If there were really, really, really loud, might be Osprey tilt-rotors!

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 1:47 p.m.

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

These were sleek-ish, not boxy.

I've seen Osprey plenty of times.  Not an Osprey.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 1:48 p.m.

Kinda wish I had grabbed my phone and snapped a pic.  It wouldn't have been a good pic, but it might have helped.

trucke
trucke SuperDork
10/11/22 1:57 p.m.

With two aircraft in formation it suggests military.  Maybe C2 Greyhounds?

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 2:01 p.m.
trucke said:

With two aircraft in formation it suggests military.  Maybe C2 Greyhounds?

Agree likely military, but not so chunky as those.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
10/11/22 2:03 p.m.

Just to be clear, are you saying it had low-mounted wings?

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/11/22 2:08 p.m.

Sure it was a twin tail?  Did it look anything like a King Air (super common plane).   Are these winglets the "turned up wings" you are talking about (dihedral in the outer wings is super uncommon)

Fusion-equipped Beechcraft King Air models certified in Brazil. Beechcraft

Here is an example of dihedral in the outer wing:

Thorp T-18 Tiger

TJL (Forum Supporter)
TJL (Forum Supporter) Dork
10/11/22 2:09 p.m.

Was there an air show in the area? Could be a Commemorative/confederate air force bird. 

trucke
trucke SuperDork
10/11/22 2:10 p.m.

I just stabbing here now!  Grumman Mohawks were retired in 1996, but could be civilian's flying them.

 

Slippery
Slippery PowerDork
10/11/22 2:11 p.m.

So far everything points to a couple of UFOs

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 2:12 p.m.
GameboyRMH said:

Just to be clear, are you saying it had low-mounted wings?

I believe they were low-mounted.  And the wings had a distinctly compound dihedral angle, with the root nearly horizontal and the tip with an upward bend.

06HHR (Forum Supporter)
06HHR (Forum Supporter) Dork
10/11/22 2:14 p.m.

You didn't say anything about a radome, how about an E-2C Hawkeye? EDIT: Just saw your post, disregard.. Nice picture here though..

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/VAW-120-E-2C.jpg

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
10/11/22 2:17 p.m.

In reply to trucke :

There are a few Mohawks in civie hands.

Doubtful it's an Electra. They are stupid rare.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 2:17 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

Definitely twin tail.  Not just a little upturn at the wingtip, but more like the wing in the little red, white and blue plane.  Of course, these were much larger than that.

Living near the airport, I see lots of planes.  These caught my eye as unusual, as they were propeller-(turboprop) driven and flown in formation. 

Noddaz
Noddaz PowerDork
10/11/22 2:19 p.m.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/11/22 2:20 p.m.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:

You didn't say anything about a radome, how about an E-2C Hawkeye

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/VAW-120-E-2C.jpg

I see those from time to time.  No radome.  More graceful-looking.  Only two vertical stabilizers on the tail.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
10/11/22 2:23 p.m.

The upturn wing tips tells me they are newish . Turboprops wouldn't be a WW2 military aircraft. 
 

 Maybe the new Canadian Electric planes?   Depends if the engine sound you heard was kinda Jet sounding or was it just propeller noise? 

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
10/11/22 2:26 p.m.

Antonov An-28?  Perhaps the blue and yellow were the Ukrainian flag on the tail? :)

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