For the back story, an anti-gun group is planning on boycotting Starbucks on Valentines Day to pressure them to change company policies about allowing legally carried firearms inside Starbucks locations.
I'm not really a fan of Starbucks. But I'll me giving them some of my hard earned money on Valentines Day as part of a Pro 2A buycott.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/robert-farago/starbucks-appreciation-day-going-viral-with-a-bullet/
Hopefully other Pro 2A people here will join us.
I'll see if I can't stop by and get a drink for the wife.
Wow, can't say I've ever heard of anyone NEEDING to carry a gun in Starbucks...tho their prices are highway robbery.
I usually patronize DD, but will try to change that on the 15th.
patgizz
SuperDork
1/28/12 4:49 p.m.
i don't know why people are up in arms about this stuff.
95% of all local establishments have signs up saying firearms or other weapons are not allowed in the store. i don't see the need to carry a gun into a store, coffee shop, restaurant. they are a private entity, and to me a no guns in the coffee shop rule is the same as no shirt, no shoes, no service one.
and i own several firearms.
I think everyone should be required to carry a gun, but I also think bullets should be $1000 each. j/k
rotard
HalfDork
1/28/12 7:19 p.m.
I wish I could open carry an M249 everywhere I went. I could use the workout.
+1 for some coffee. I'll take my .357 with me too!
I've been boycotting Starbucks for years where have you guys been? Besides in Starbucks?
^ How's that working out for you?
Close any of them down yet?
I don't care one way or the other, if I want coffee and starbucks is closest, I go get coffee at starbucks.
Shawn
patgizz wrote:
i don't know why people are up in arms about this stuff.
95% of all local establishments have signs up saying firearms or other weapons are not allowed in the store. i don't see the need to carry a gun into a store, coffee shop, restaurant. they are a private entity, and to me a no guns in the coffee shop rule is the same as no shirt, no shoes, no service one.
and i own several firearms.
I do 100% support a companies right to say they don't want firearms carried in their store. As much as I personally disagree with that, I think it is there right. I'm up in arms, because on the flip side, there are people who don't respect that Starbucks doesn't want to take a stand on the matter.
If you don't want to carry a gun, don't. Pretty simple. I do carry, and I prefer to support business that don't think sticking a "no guns" sign in the window makes them safer.
When are the no shoes - no shirts people going to stage their boycott?
I stay out of Starbucks. I go to McDonald's for the $1 coffee. If Starbucks would sell basic coffee for a $1; I would go 3x a week.
I lleave my guns at home, they bulge out my khakis.
Unless its a legal pistol free zone, I make it a point to not notice the weapon free signs.
Joey
rotard wrote:
I wish I could open carry an M249 everywhere I went. I could use the workout.
No one would ever berkeley with you again, either.
I own a gun, but I don't carry it. I also don't like overpriced (or any) coffee.. so I won;t be spending my hard earned cash at Starbucks either way
stuart in mn wrote:
When are the no shoes - no shirts people going to stage their boycott?
Maybe when it warms up a bit.
I don't have a need to carry in Starbucks, but when I transport clients into dangerous areas and have my legal weapon with me, what do I do with it when I want a cup of coffee. Leaving the weapon in my car in an area that is rife with car thefts and street robberies doesn't make sense to me.
In addition those signs make it very clear to a crook that those inside should be unarmed and easy victims for his next robbery.
I WILL go to Starbucks for coffee a lot more often seeing as Starbucks gets it IMHO.
ZOO
SuperDork
1/29/12 12:03 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote:
I think everyone should be required to carry a gun, but I also think bullets should be $1000 each. j/k
There are times when that may be worth it :)
Per the news release, it appears they are concerned with open carry, a touchy subject for lots of people. Some folks don't want to know that any guns are present, and some want to show off their tacticool M-4 clone.
patgizz wrote: i don't know why people are up in arms about this stuff. 95% of all local establishments have signs up saying firearms or other weapons are not allowed in the store.
The percentage is significantly lower here, especially if one only counts the legally-binding signs. Gunbuster signs like the one below have no legal effect on licensees in Texas. The law spells out the specifics of signs that bar CHL carry under section 30.06 (Easy for old riflemen to remember.) and in the alcohol license statutes.
patgizz wrote:
i don't see the need to carry a gun into a store, coffee shop, restaurant. they are a private entity, and to me a no guns in the coffee shop rule is the same as no shirt, no shoes, no service one.
I guess I don't have your skill in knowing where and when bad things can happen. Maybe I should only frequent "safe" places like Starbucks,
Luby's Restaurant, K-mart, church, and the like.
I certainly agree that businesses should have options in this and most other matters - smoking, pets, dress code - but that's the libertarian in me coming out. I, too, retain the option of choosing which businesses I am comfortable dealing with. If someone uses their freedom of speech to try to change a business policy that I happen to like, I feel free to use mine as well.
"No guns" signs provide neither cover nor concealment.
xd
Reader
1/29/12 12:35 p.m.
CCW permits are more trouble then they are worth. 50% of the people I see with them in Colorado and Ohio would probably piss their pants if something happened. 45% are looking to be some sort of action hero to makeup for having their ass kicked in school. Then there is the 5% that actually need one and would know what to do with it if something happened. So I guess you could say that I don't want to be in a Starbucks with 95% of the people I see with CCW.
Jay_W
Dork
1/29/12 12:56 p.m.
Your assesment of people with CCW isn't backed by statistics, which show that people with ccw are overwhelmingly law abiding. I agree, they are more trouble than they're worth. the 2ns amendment sure as heck doesn't say "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed except that the state can treat you like a criminal and take your fingerprints and chrage you any amount of money they want"... so ccw permits should be abolished.
stuart in mn wrote:
When are the no shoes - no shirts people going to stage their boycott?
They already did, it was called the Occupy Movement.
Grizz
Dork
1/29/12 2:14 p.m.
In reply to Marty!:
I thought they were the "no shirt, no shoes but a brand new iPhone" people?
xd wrote:
CCW permits are more trouble then they are worth. 50% of the people I see with them in Colorado and Ohio would probably piss their pants if something happened. 45% are looking to be some sort of action hero to makeup for having their ass kicked in school. Then there is the 5% that actually need one and would know what to do with it if something happened. So I guess you could say that I don't want to be in a Starbucks with 95% of the people I see with CCW.
Wow, really, I would like to know what statistics this is based on, or is it just your uneducated opinion being touted as fact.