Coming into a T intersection, there's a stop sign with another sign that says "cross traffic does not stop". Pretty normal, no big deal. However the people coming from the right also have a stop sign? If a driver from the right blows the stop sign and hits a car turning left, who is at fault? (Hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it will)
Heading into the T

From the left, you can see both signs

from the right, you have a stop sign?

So cross traffic does stop? Usually I'd see "traffic from left does not stop" on the sign
Jay_W
SuperDork
4/9/22 11:06 a.m.
Pretty straighforward rly, driver from the right blows the stopsign, they're at fault.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
Each states' rules of the road are slightly different, so that may be applicable here. From my recollection, ignoring the seemingly incorrect signage, if two cars stopped at the stop signs simultaneously the one from the right would have the right-of-way.
Though if the one on the right arrived after the other one stopped, they would have to yield to them. So if they blew through the stop, they should be at fault.
Of course it appears the "cross traffic does not stop" sign is in contradiction of the stop sign on the right, so I have a feeling the only one coming out successful in the end will be the traffic attorneys.
To me, the direction without a stopsign has right-of-way. If 2 vehicles meet at the stopsigns, normal stopsign rules apply.
There's an intersection just like this near me. What I just said is how we handle it.
I believe Appleseed has nailed it. I think what we have here is "human factors" engineering rather than traffic engineering as such. Nobody at the Roads Dept. wants drivers to have to think, because they know from bitter experience that many, if not most, of them can't. Making drivers have to read and understand a unique sign for this unique intersection is a disaster waiting to happen. Using a standard sign, even if it's slightly inaccurate, is a much better approach.
I am betting they they put up the stop sign on the blind (passenger side) of Dennison to Shadeland because of a high incidence of accidents. Traffic flowing the other way on Dennison is clearly visible from the intersection.
I agree regular stop sign rules apply.
I'll bet this has less to do with having the correct sign and more to do with the road dept having a sign, in stock, that is good enough.
Seems that one of three ways has no stop requirement. But, there may not be an easy sign for that so just err to the side of caution and say "cross traffic does not stop. " That is at least true for cross traffic from the left.
But, all red stop signs trump what the yellow sign says.
Or, there once was a time that no cross traffic stopped. But, that wasn't working so it was ordered to put an additional stop sign to the right. But, the work order for adding this sign had no element of a work order for taking down the cross-traffic sign. So, there it remains.
In reply to John Welsh :
Or, there once was a time that no cross traffic stopped. But, that wasn't working so it was ordered to put an additional stop sign to the right. But, the work order for adding this sign had no element of a work order for taking down the cross-traffic sign. So, there it remains.
Most likely this. I teach DE. I see this all the time. Changes are made, signs are added, and other signs aren't removed or removed long after.
That's a limited line of sight issue. Can the person in the first pic see the stop sign and legal stop area to the right? If not that's a problem cause they'll never know if they arrived first, thereby having right of way.
In reply to vwcorvette (Forum Supporter) :
The person can see the sign and area, buts it's not great. It's hidden by the stop sign in the first photo. About 90% of the people coming from the right stop, it's the 10% that'll get you. My daughter has always been taught don't go until the other person is stopped (don't assume) and has had people honk at her for not going. I told her let them honk, cheaper than an accident.
There is an intersection similar to this near my house. I never quite understood the logic behind it, but so far accidents have been rare.