The A-Team

just got done with the midnight show. Well it's not your father's A-Team, wait it's not my A-Team! Damn I'm old. An decent movie, one of the bad guys (Pike) put in a good performance, seems to be typical lately. Losers was ultimately more satisfying. Could it have been better, not really, should it have been different, yes. probably tried to pack in too much action, but it was all pretty well done - go enjoy yourselves now

was there any pitying of fools or knocking out of B.A. to get him aboard a plane or chopper, only to have him wake up in mid flight and threaten to kill the weird schizophrenic guy that was piloting it?

I need one very specific spoiler before I go see this movie. Were the A-Team still fugitives? Or did the filmmakers have them working for the U.S. government or somehow furthuring the government's interests like every other action movie made since 2001? If the former is the case, I'm willing to give them some of my hard-earned money. If the latter, no.

I am fairly certain they are still fugitives. Not 100% on that though.

from the trailer, they sure sound like fugitives.

the one spoiler I want to know- does anyone die?

Don't need to know details, but when planes crashed into cliffs and everyone walked away with headaches... well....

And for an "A-Team"- they were pretty poor with the gun sights.

So, just want to know that.

alfadriver wrote: the one spoiler I want to know- does anyone die? Don't need to know details, but when planes crashed into cliffs and everyone walked away with headaches... well.... And for an "A-Team"- they were pretty poor with the gun sights. So, just want to know that.

What he said..

alfadriver wrote: the one spoiler I want to know- does anyone die? Don't need to know details, but when planes crashed into cliffs and everyone walked away with headaches... well.... And for an "A-Team"- they were pretty poor with the gun sights. So, just want to know that.

the tv A-Team was so good that they were able to accomplish their goal without hurting anyone, even unintentionally. anyone can shoot a bad guy in the face or make them blow up with home brewed explosives, but it takes skill to make your point by shooting AROUND someone and making stuff explode close to someone without hurting them. it also worked for G I Joe and the Imperial Stormtroopers of the original Star wars trilogy.

novaderrik wrote: the tv A-Team was so good that they were able to accomplish their goal without hurting anyone, even unintentionally. anyone can shoot a bad guy in the face or make them blow up with home brewed explosives, but it takes skill to make your point by shooting AROUND someone and making stuff explode close to someone without hurting them. it also worked for G I Joe and the Imperial Stormtroopers of the original Star wars trilogy.

What? Have you even seen Star Wars? More Storm troopers die in the first 10 minutes of the first movie ("A new Hope")than the entire TV run of the A-team.

I think what he was saying was they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn..

actually, i was saying that the Stormtroopers were shooting bad on purpose to allow the events to unfold to fulfill the Emperors master plan of getting Luke Skywalker in a position to take the place of Vader and get rid of that pesky rebellion.

when we first see the Stormtroopers, they are badass and kill everyone they come in contact with. the next time we see them, they are pretending to not be able to find the droids on Tatooine after they had traced them to a small farm (one that Vader had a personal connection with) and killed the people they found there and the group that sold them the droids.

after that point, everything they did was done in a half hearted manner meant to steer Luke to the Emperor. is it really plausible that they would be allowed to sneak around the Death Star like that or that no one would turn the tractor beam that was holding the Millennium Falcon in the landing bay back on?

why didn't they just bomb the rebel base on Hoth from orbit with a Star Destroyer or two instead of landing those unwieldy and utterly pointless AT-AT walkers 10 miles away and slowly wlaking towards the fortified rebel base? pretty much all of the Empire Strikes Back was the Emperor putting all the pieces in their proper places for the final showdown.

why were their crack troops at the shield generator on the moon of Endor defeated by a bunch of living teddy bears?

the Emperors plan only fell apart when Vader caught onto what was going on and took out the Emperor before he was taken out and replaced by his own son.

it's the only way to explain the events of the first three movies without coming to the conclusion that George Lucas isn't a very good writer.

novaderrik wrote: why didn't they just bomb the rebel base on Hoth from orbit with a Star Destroyer or two instead of landing those unwieldy and utterly pointless AT-AT walkers 10 miles away and slowly wlaking towards the fortified rebel base?

Duh!!! Admiral Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to system that alerted the rebels to their presence. The imperial com-scan detected an energy field protecting an area of the sixth planet of the Hoth system. The field was strong enough to deflect any bombardment. Sooooo, they had to land their troops beyond the energy shield.

mblommel wrote:

novaderrik wrote: why didn't they just bomb the rebel base on Hoth from orbit with a Star Destroyer or two instead of landing those unwieldy and utterly pointless AT-AT walkers 10 miles away and slowly wlaking towards the fortified rebel base?

Duh!!! Admiral Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to system that alerted the rebels to their presence. The imperial com-scan detected an energy field protecting an area of the sixth planet of the Hoth system. The field was strong enough to deflect any bombardment. Sooooo, they had to land their troops beyond the energy shield.

so you just sit in orbit and bombard them anyways. while doing that, you casually plink off every ship you see trying to make a run for it.

it's been a while, but didn't they have two Star Destroyers and Vader's Super Star Destroyer there? that means probably thousands upon thousands of TIE fighters.

novaderrik wrote: actually, i was saying that the Stormtroopers were shooting bad on purpose to allow the events to unfold to fulfill the Emperors master plan of getting Luke Skywalker in a position to take the place of Vader and get rid of that pesky rebellion.

Not necessarily. It could also be that their genetic code was so weak after 40 years of cloning. MAybe they just had poor eyesight.

novaderrik wrote: when we first see the Stormtroopers, they are badass and kill everyone they come in contact with. the next time we see them, they are pretending to not be able to find the droids on Tatooine after they had traced them to a small farm (one that Vader had a personal connection with) and killed the people they found there and the group that sold them the droids.

Hello, the Jedi Mind trick told them they were not the driods they were looking for. They did find the millenium falcon and realized they were on that ship.

novaderrik wrote: after that point, everything they did was done in a half hearted manner meant to steer Luke to the Emperor. is it really plausible that they would be allowed to sneak around the Death Star like that or that no one would turn the tractor beam that was holding the Millennium Falcon in the landing bay back on?

To allow them to install a tracking device. Duh. They used that to follow them to the Rebel Base to destroy it with the deathstar.

novaderrik wrote: why didn't they just bomb the rebel base on Hoth from orbit with a Star Destroyer or two instead of landing those unwieldy and utterly pointless AT-AT walkers 10 miles away and slowly wlaking towards the fortified rebel base? pretty much all of the Empire Strikes Back was the Emperor putting all the pieces in their proper places for the final showdown.

Already been told... the shield generator's were up and impenetrable from their ships.

novaderrik wrote: why were their crack troops at the shield generator on the moon of Endor defeated by a bunch of living teddy bears?

The English troops in Africa were over run by unarmed tribesmen because of sheer numbers. It's like Vietnam, they had all the technology for a technical war, but couldn't adjust to flying rocks and swinging treelogs crushing their AT-AT's.

novaderrik wrote: the Emperors plan only fell apart when Vader caught onto what was going on and took out the Emperor before he was taken out and replaced by his own son.

Partially true. There was still "good" left in him.

novaderrik wrote: it's the only way to explain the events of the first three movies without coming to the conclusion that George Lucas isn't a very good writer.

He was a very good writer, you just didn't pay attention.

Does anyone else think I've watched those three movies a few times too many?

novaderrik wrote: so you just sit in orbit and bombard them anyways. while doing that, you casually plink off every ship you see trying to make a run for it. it's been a while, but didn't they have two Star Destroyers and Vader's Super Star Destroyer there? that means probably thousands upon thousands of TIE fighters.

Ah... but the Ion Cannon they used disabled the star destroyers and the cargo transports jumped to lightspeed the instant they reached orbit. Tie fighters wuld have been of little help there even if they could have launched.

this is all well and good, but i still don't see where they were able to buy parts for that Winnebago in the middle of space.

And why was that guys swartz SO much smaller than everyone elses?

novaderrik wrote: why were their crack troops at the shield generator on the moon of Endor defeated by a bunch of living teddy bears? George Lucas isn't a very good writer.

Answered your own question, and nailed it.

You, sir, have offended me. Please delete yourself.

This thread got way off topic quick.

You know, if those guys just blew that jettisoned escape pod out of the sky, things wouldn't have gotten nearly so exciting.

David S. Wallens wrote: You know, if those guys just blew that jettisoned escape pod out of the sky, things wouldn't have gotten nearly so exciting.

There were no life forms aboard. Why shouldn't they hold their fire? After all, Lord Vader did suspect that the Princess may have hidden the plans in the escape pod. He sent a detachment down, and the Commander saw to it personally! There should have been no one to stop them that time.

Ok, still need an answer. Do people (any people) die in the movie?

alfadriver wrote: Ok, still need an answer. Do people (any people) die in the movie?

oh, you mean that new movie that this thread was started about.. sorry.. yes, i think a LOT of people die in it, which is one of the reasons Mr T didn't make a cameo. remember, he pities fools and won't put up with any jibber jabber like people dying.