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bludroptop
bludroptop UltraDork
1/5/15 7:38 a.m.

Someone here has a long track record of holier-than-thou ethical certitude - just sayin'.

I watched the movie on PPV because Mrs. BDT wanted to see it and it was raining outside. I thought the humor was ill conceived, immature and low-brow. Pretty much par for the course for most comedies that rely upon scatology and vulgarity for laughs. Franco has the worst comedic timing EVAR and should stick to dramatic roles. The guy who played Kim gave what was probably the best performance in the movie.

There is at least one precedent for a movie depicting the assassination of a sitting world leader, albeit not a farcical comedy. Death of a President imagined the murder of some guy you might remember named Bush, who was in office at the time of the movie release. I do not think there was any international panty bunching as a consequence.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UberDork
1/5/15 7:50 a.m.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/884592321/glorious-leader

Wally
Wally MegaDork
1/5/15 7:53 a.m.

In reply to bludroptop:

I had forgotten about that one. It was also not a very good comedy but at the time everyone was saying they had a right to their opinions.

mtn
mtn UltimaDork
1/5/15 8:00 a.m.

SvRex, I agree with you to a point. On the other hand, it is free speech and a free market. So, I don't have an issue with others making it.

Also, North Korea does have several films depicting our Presidents being killed. The US responded with the usual, if they responded at all. Not that it makes it right that US will make these moves, but it is out there.

z31maniac
z31maniac UltimaDork
1/5/15 8:00 a.m.
SVreX wrote: It's not a matter of taking it too seriously. If you appreciate this type of humor, that's fine. Not my cup of tea, but I'm glad you enjoy it. Here's the question- Would it have been less funny if the characters were fictional? I am REALLY uncomfortable using a real world leader for a mockery like this. Especially a crazy one who has nukes pointed at our head. It's about as culturally insensitive as possible, and not too smart.

Pick up the remote and turn off Fox News.

N. Korea doesn't pose any type of real threat to anyone. Not to mention it's already been revealed the hacker was a previous Sony employee.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UberDork
1/5/15 11:14 a.m.
SVreX wrote: ...but that is chasing a rabbit. My point was not how anyone responds. My point was that it's not cool (nor funny) to show the assassination of a real sitting world leader.

Its not exactly new. I remember a scene in I think it was Hot Shots where they show Saddam sitting pool side and a bomb is dropped in his lap.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
1/5/15 11:22 a.m.
rebelgtp wrote:
SVreX wrote: ...but that is chasing a rabbit. My point was not how anyone responds. My point was that it's not cool (nor funny) to show the assassination of a real sitting world leader.
Its not exactly new. I remember a scene in I think it was Hot Shots where they show Saddam sitting pool side and a bomb is dropped in his lap.

Good point, here's the scene on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJH9yvGJnb0

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler SuperDork
1/5/15 12:27 p.m.
rebelgtp wrote:
SVreX wrote: ...but that is chasing a rabbit. My point was not how anyone responds. My point was that it's not cool (nor funny) to show the assassination of a real sitting world leader.
Its not exactly new. I remember a scene in I think it was Hot Shots where they show Saddam sitting pool side and a bomb is dropped in his lap.

Is that better or worse than when they showed him having sex with Satan in the South Park movie?

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
1/5/15 1:11 p.m.

Wow, this blew up, a stupid, immature, comedy is taken as a serious threat. Gee I wonder where we lost the plot in this country.

I can name hundreds of movies with US heads of state being murdered

z31maniac
z31maniac UltimaDork
1/5/15 1:14 p.m.
aussiesmg wrote: Wow, this blew up, a stupid, immature, comedy is taken as a serious threat. Gee I wonder where we lost the plot in this country. I can name hundreds of movies with US heads of state being murdered

Because THE CHILDREN!!!!!

turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
1/5/15 1:43 p.m.

http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/01/north-korea-author-on-the-interview-behind-the-butthole-jokes-the-filmmakers-get-a-lot-right/

It’s hard to ask a North Korean what they thought of The Interview, because, as you may have heard, North Koreans don’t get out much. But the New Yorker wisely solicited a guest review from the next best thing: Barbara Demick, a veteran “North Korea watcher” and author of Nothing To Envy: Ordinary Lives Of North Koreans, a book mostly about the North Korean famine of the 90s. Solid read, and I would also recommend Dear Leader.

In her write-up, Demick seems to have discovered (like I did) that the North Korea satire was the strongest part of the film.

<em>…behind the silliness and the smut, the penis and butthole jokes, the filmmakers get a lot right about North Korea.</em>

“Smut?” Please, they didn’t even show Seth Rogen’s penis, it was only tastefully implied through Foley effects. If you tried to give me dong-free smut, I’d be returning it to the smut store, I’ll tell you that.

On the schoolgirl at the beginning singing “Die, America, Die”:

<em>…the scene perfectly captures the anti-American propaganda in a country where kindergartens, according to the A.P., feature posters of schoolchildren bayonetting a bloodied U.S. soldier. Or, as I wrote in my book, where there is a song taught to schoolchildren called “Shoot the Yankee Bastards.”</em>

More from that link: “A framed poster on the wall of a kindergarten classroom shows bright-eyed children brandishing rifles and bayonets as they attack a hapless American soldier, his face bandaged and blood spurting from his mouth.” The soldier also has a giant nose, which just seems mean.

On the look of the airplane that transports Rogen and Franco to Pyongyang:

<em>From the airplane’s interior, with its lace-doily-backed seats, to the protagonists’ lavishly appointed guesthouse, the atmospherics ring true. First-time visitors to North Korea are always surprised that such a poor country can provide comfortable accommodations and abundant food when it wants to make a good impression. The fictional journalists of “The Interview” are impressed, too.</em>

Only the upper classes get to enjoy a nice lace doily.

On the best running joke of the film, Kim Jong-Un’s love of Katy Perry:

<em>In “The Interview,” he is depicted as a fan of the singer Katy Perry. I can’t speak to the leader’s taste in music, but his brother is a well-documented fan of Eric Clapton.</em>

Well, they say Clapton is a God, so maybe he and the Kims are related.

On Kim Jong-Un’s tank and tigers:

<em>Kim shows Skylark a tank that he says was a gift to his grandfather, North Korea’s founder, Kim Il-sung, from Joseph Stalin. Actually, the gift that Stalin gave was a bullet-proof limousine, but the scene works. As for the Siberian tiger that pounces on Rapaport—well, tigers largely disappeared from the Korean peninsula in the twentieth century, and I’m quite certain that there are none roaming freely in Pyongyang nowadays.</em>

Well, I mean, if you’re going to take dramatic license, you might as well use it to insert some tigers. I support this.

Demick also found that the film worked equally well as a critique of American hubris.

<em>And the plot to assassinate Kim Jong-un doesn’t sound altogether implausible. Peter Hayes, a co-founder and the executive director of the Nautilus Institute for Security and Sustainability, recently pointed to an August 14th U.S. Strategic Command symposium, currently on YouTube, in which a retired U.S. major general openly discussed assassination as an option to put in the “kitbag” to deal with Kim Jong-un.</em>

Also in the kitbag? Some roast beef sandwiches, his wife’s award winning potato salad. The kitbag also has “Peter Hayes” written on the outside in a Sharpie so he doesn’t accidentally grab someone else’s kitbag by mistake. Kitbag.

While Demick was critical of the “gratuitous” ending, she did find something to praise in that as well:

<em>Perhaps the truest words are spoken by the fictional North Korean propagandist, Sook: “Killing Kim won’t change anything. … The people need to be shown that he is not a god, that he is man.” When Skylark challenges her, she questions him, “How many times can the U.S. make the same mistake?”

Skylark retorts, “As many times as it takes.”</em>

Yep, that was a pretty good line. If anything, The Interview proved that old truism about it being virtually impossible to distinguish earnest extremism from a parody of it. Though it always helps to add Katy Perry jokes.

Of course, during the whole hacking kerfuffle (still ongoing) there were plenty who said the US should worry about our own problems first, and think about our own reaction if another country had made a film about assassinating the president and blah blah blah. While I’m generally in favor of worrying about our problems first, acting as if you can’t make fun of a guy who got the gout from a Swiss cheese addiction while his people starve and executes family members via cluster bomb is just… well, it’s just impractical is what it is. You can’t tell us the guy shot 36 his first round of golf and then gave it up forever and expect us not to make fun of you.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
1/5/15 9:45 p.m.
turboswede wrote: (article quote): ...It’s hard to ask a North Korean what they thought of The Interview, because, as you may have heard, North Koreans don’t get out much...

Another point to consider is that on the other side (US), the amount of knowledge about NK is probably pretty low (until Kim Kardashian visits of course). It may be a stupid potty movie (a low brow comedy with Seth Rogen in it... shocking), but if it gets some views it might educate some people a bit about the absurdity of the country (which of course is fertile ground for comedy / parody).

As far as depicting assassinating a sitting leader: As long as the US government is not behind it, I don't see an issue. The only difference between this movie (or any other released movie) and a movie about how black people are sub-human (or something similarly absurd) is that a reasonable number of people may actually want to see this movie. All though, are valuable (at least in that they can be done) forms of freedom of expression.

daeman
daeman New Reader
1/6/15 1:25 a.m.

The film lampoons a ridiculous dictatorship and its puppet of a leader... Its serves its purpose and makes some people laugh... If we all had to like and enjoy the same kinds of films that'd kinda be like.... Oh wait, north Korea. If people don't like it, don't watch it, simple. Just like I avidly avoid romcoms and dramas like the plague due to my immense distaste for them.

Also, its not the first time a Korean leader has been killed for laughs in a movie. Team america shows kim jong Il, UN's father being killed by team america while he was still alive and running nk. Although it then shows that he's an alien cockroach.

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
1/6/15 6:35 a.m.

If the Aliens see Men in Black we're hosed.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
1/6/15 7:13 a.m.
TRoglodyte wrote: If the Aliens see Men in Black we're hosed.

The MIB series is would not come to my mind if I were to think of movies I would not like an alien civilization to see. In fact I think they'd most likely want to black-hole-bomb us over some of our best documentaries.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/6/15 10:58 a.m.

That was fun.

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
1/6/15 12:13 p.m.

Am I the only one who seriously doubts that Seth Rogen is even remotely funny? I haven't seen the movie, and don't see any reason to, eventhough that may be grounds in this thread for being called names.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler SuperDork
1/6/15 12:47 p.m.
T.J. wrote: Am I the only one who seriously doubts that Seth Rogen is even remotely funny? I haven't seen the movie, and don't see any reason to, eventhough that may be grounds in this thread for being called names.

Not by me. As I've said before, I've seen the movie and it's stupid and not funny. As for Rogen, I don't think there's much reason to "doubt" his funniness, he's been in countless movies already. He's hit-and-miss for me, but there's plenty of evidence out there to draw conclusions about the guy. Comedy being extremely subjective, of course.

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