A somewhat long video, and dates back to 2011, but fairly accurate. Hits home to me, as a Gen X'er.
A somewhat long video, and dates back to 2011, but fairly accurate. Hits home to me, as a Gen X'er.
I'm assuming this thread could also be called "kids these days".
Sorry sir, I'll get off your lawn now.
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable lumping an entire generation together, labeling them "Millennials" and saying that I "hate" them. And that's coming from me, the quintessential "grumpy old man."
I watched as much of it as I could bear. First off, a guy whose title is "VP of Insights" at a company I've never heard of giving a TED talk is about as millennial as you can get. It's basically just him spouting off about how to market to millennials, as far as I can tell, talking over a thin Powerpoint with a smattering of statistical information and a few generational comparisons, peppered with screen grabs from popular movies. If this is what passes for insightful, informative content these days I weep for the future. But then I was already doing that.
@ 9:33 he talks about how great Forever 21 is..
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/09/13/forever-21-store-closures/2309811001/
Not so much anymore...
anyway.. I don't really fit in.. I was born in 79 and therefore have traits of both an Xer and a millenial.
this strikes me as:
because there is no point.. there litterally is no conclusion or argument.. It's a fluff piece put together to raise this dudes profile.. Ohh looks like it has.. He's now a CMO at another marketing firm instead of a VP... He wins.. everyone else loses.
02Pilot said:I watched as much of it as I could bear. First off, a guy whose title is "VP of Insights" at a company I've never heard of giving a TED talk is about as millennial as you can get. It's basically just him spouting off about how to market to millennials, as far as I can tell, talking over a thin Powerpoint with a smattering of statistical information and a few generational comparisons, peppered with screen grabs from popular movies. If this is what passes for insightful, informative content these days I weep for the future. But then I was already doing that.
Tedx... anyone can present their knowledge on stage... and we really mean anyone.
I work with a lot of 20-30-somethings. I would not say they work any less or more hard than any other generation I've worked with, although I will say many of them do feel generally berked by the current financial system.
Counter point: https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-38-the-medias-bogus-generation-obsession
Basically hating on a specific generation is low hanging fruit that doesn't offend any existing power structures. Howe and Strauss made up the term as a marketing ploy to sell books and "research" about groups of people which are extremely nebulously defined outside of the baby boomer generation, which is defined by the post war population boom. Most other generations are defined by societal events.
The entire psudo-science of generational research is dumb.
Is there a text version of this? Or can someone share cliff notes with me on why I am hated?
So... What was the point? I don't disagree with anything he said there, but I don't think that he really came to a conclusion other than maybe that people hate millenials because they're jealous of millenials?
Meh. Waste of my time watching that to be honest. I think that Boomers "hate" millenials because we call them out on their mistakes, like putting linoleum over hardwood floors.
In reply to mtn :
and some Boomers made fun of the people before them for doing similar garbage..
Fueled by Caffeine said:In reply to mtn :
and some Boomers made fun of the people before them for doing similar garbage..
Yep. Generations gonna blame each other!
ProDarwin said:Is there a text version of this? Or can someone share cliff notes with me on why I am hated?
Boomers.
No reason to watch the video, as I've have yet to find a Millennial that I don't like. I have yet to find any reason to not like any generation, as a whole.
There are slackers in the Greatest Generation just as there are over achievers in boomers average persons in X, and above agerage millennials.
All the groups are all exactly the same.
The guy got a good job at an accounting firm right out of college with a degree in poetry...and then he goes on to talk about how much better the next generation has it.
Also his LinkedIn profile is incredibly self congratulatory and full of mindless, MBA buzzwords. He sounds more like a stereotypical Millenial than most Millenials.
I looked up another article and found this little gem (From March 2018)
"In establishing these guidelines, it also looks like the “Xennial” has been wiped from existence. This is a micro-generation that encompassed those born between 1977 and 1983—they identified themselves as people who grew up in a pre-digital world and later adapted to today’s technology. If this includes you, you’re now either a late-term Gen X’er or a grizzled veteran of the Millennial clan."
Being that I was born in 1982, I don't really think I can be lumped in with someone that was possibly 7 years old, when I was graduating college.
And by another standard in the article someone were calling Millenials 1982-2004.......so someone that was 1 year old when I graduated college has any similar life experience? That person would be 15 now as I approach 40.
The title of this thread is tongue in cheek, which would be clearer if one watched the video. The takeaway I got from it is, the Gen X-ers were getting alot of the E36 M3 that the MIllennials are getting now, though the reasons are different.
And yeah, do't take it too seriously.
In reply to z31maniac :
That makes sense...I was born in '77 and always felt a bit young for the X-ers but not yet quite a Millenial. That was back in the 90's when the whole "Gen-X" thing was at its peak. Now it seems there's been "generational creep" and I got lumped in with the X-ers by default.
And, of course, the X-rs are to blame, same as we always said the boomers were the root of all evil. Circle of Life.
I have to say, there are two things I notice that are more common in Millennials then other generations:
1) A desire to have a stable, good paying, rewarding job, that also provides significant time off. No, 4 weeks is not enough. Yes, the vast majority of American's get very little time off, but I know countless people my age who have taken lengthy time periods between jobs to travel, pursue higher education, raise kids, etc. They'll job hop for this reason - and somehow get hired again and again, despite 2-3 year stints and the months of years off in between. Lots of companies are asking "why can't we retain and attract bright, engaged, young employees?" That's why.
2) Office culture (work life balance, flexibility, friendships with coworkers, inclusivity, etc) has a major impact on Millenials. Where as in previous generations working in a office was considered "making it", most Millennials I know HATE oldschool corporate America's office culture. Lots of young people are willing to work for peanuts at a start-up or hell, even Starbucks because of the perception of a laid back, hip, work environment. Yes, that sometimes means giving up absolute productivity, but employers might be able to make up for that in employee retention and quality of new hires.
What's interesting is that I also know several Gen Xers and quite a few boomers who were at the end of their careers who said "I wish US companies were more like the Europeans, more laid back, less timeclock, more vacation." It's not just an "you grew up in a different time" but more a "times are changing and the way I used to work isn't how I want to work today."
Fueled by Caffeine said:Tedx... anyone can present their knowledge on stage... and we really mean anyone.
Thank you for coming to Fueled by Caffeine's Ted Talk.
volvoclearinghouse said:The title of this thread is tongue in cheek, which would be clearer if one watched the video.
I tried, honestly I did, but it was so mind-numbingly pointless that I couldn't see it through. I guess I do share at least one trait with Millennials--a short attention span.
Might have had something to do with the coffee, though....
In reply to pheller :
Plenty of us will job-hop to secure better benefits/pay/work life balance/etc etc. Personally, I'm not gonna give a company years of my life for 1-3% pay raises if the culture sucks and I can just go get a new job that offers 5-10% more. Or same pay, but the benefits aren't trash and I don't get snarky comments for not responding to emails when I'm not at work, to include nights and weekends.
I like my time off and away from work and will gladly leave a job if they deem themselves more important than my own life.
I actually worked with a dude at an investment firm doing security. He's worked there for nearly 20 years. Nice guy, great at his job, etc etc. Started out getting paid peanuts and then got around a 2% or less pay raise each year. I came on, more than half his age, making the same pay. berkeley that noise.
pheller said:What's interesting is that I also know several Gen Xers and quite a few boomers who were at the end of their careers who said "I wish US companies were more like the Europeans, more laid back, less timeclock, more vacation." It's not just an "you grew up in a different time" but more a "times are changing and the way I used to work isn't how I want to work today."
It's easy to think in these terms when unemployment is under 4%.
As a marketer, for a consulting firm no less, I read and hear a lot about different generations. My conclusion is that there are some differences, but they are not along clean decade lines and they are more influenced by technology and society than any biological age difference. Growing up, if going outside was your best option for connecting with friends, guess what, you probably still prefer social gatherings. If you grew up connecting through social media, guess what, you probably prefer mobile devices. And if you grew up 30 years ago but are kinda shy, you probably defy either of those generalizations. Either way, none of it is a reason to hate anyone.
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