markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 10:18 a.m.

https://smd.craigslist.org/cto/d/vw-formula-vee-super-vee-make/6452138977.html

Part of me wants to swap my spec 7 for this

 

Sine_Qua_Non
Sine_Qua_Non SuperDork
1/28/18 10:23 a.m.

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markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 10:28 a.m.
BoxheadCougarTim
BoxheadCougarTim MegaDork
1/28/18 10:33 a.m.

Not a Super Vee, but if hat 1200cc Motor is in half decent shape it’ll almost be worth the asking price.

if you look at it, check if it has been converted from drum brakes as that’d make it harder to convert back to FV if you’re so inclined. 

bentwrench
bentwrench Dork
1/28/18 10:38 a.m.

You have to be a wizard and have an unlimited budget for hiding modifications to enhance performance.

The best cheater wins in that class!

I know some tricks but I'd have to kill you!  Actually what I know is so old it may now be common knowledge. I was sworn to secrecy when I spotted some interesting tooling during a visit to an associate's shop who specialized in that class for years. If you did not have one of his motors it was unlikely you could win.

Actually you will find that the level of "cheating" required to win in ANY controlled class is astronomical. Rules written to level the playing field wind up actually raising the ante to play and win. You have to dissect the rule book, read between the lines, think outside the box, and understand how tech inspection looks at things. You know when you have reached the pinnacle of those forms of racing when they change the rules because of what you are doing!  :^)

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 11:05 a.m.

In reply to BoxheadCougarTim :

FV definitely jacked up the prices on the 1200. I thought that Super was sorta an open class. Heck, they allow water cools right? And wings!

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 11:07 a.m.

FWIW, he doesn't have any log books for it. Could be a pain to get it back on to the track.

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 11:15 a.m.

Other than the wheels and 1700, it's a stock FV

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 11:26 a.m.

I can't figure out the bodywork. Never seen it before.

BoxheadCougarTim
BoxheadCougarTim MegaDork
1/28/18 4:19 p.m.

It might be home built. Apparently not uncommon back then.

IIRC Super Vee uses the Rabbit GTI motor and as you pointed out, has aero. Plus I assume they don’t have to use stock VW suspension. 

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/28/18 5:23 p.m.

Super V would probably be more fun. 1st gen gti?

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltimaDork
1/29/18 7:15 a.m.

ISTR Super V allowed you to use either an air-cooled or water-cooled engine.  

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/29/18 8:34 a.m.

Bill, That's what I was reading. But the engine in this would have to go back to 1600? Although there was language that said something about up to 2000. 

BoxheadCougarTim
BoxheadCougarTim MegaDork
1/29/18 11:39 p.m.

From vague memory (and I don't claim to be a connoisseur of obscurish VW-based race series):

  • 1200cc for FV (which is more or less what this car is)
  • 1600cc for FST (which also allows disk brakes, something FV doesn't)
  • According to Wikipedia, Super Vee started out using the 1600cc aircooled engine, eventually moved on to the 1st gen GTI engine. The big difference between Super V and the other two is that Super V doesn't mandate suspension based on the VW Bug suspension

I suspect my initial mental association of Super V = GTI engine came from the fact that I don't recall ever seeing any aircooled Super Vs for sale...

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltimaDork
1/30/18 7:16 a.m.

I think once the water cooled engine was allowed, the AC engine died a quick death. 

At one time, Super V was looked at as a feeder series to Indy car. 

markwemple
markwemple UberDork
1/30/18 8:14 a.m.

Probably because, even though a 1600dp is cheap, a gti engine is cheaper and easier to tune. Not as good cg though.

BoxheadCougarTim
BoxheadCougarTim MegaDork
1/30/18 9:20 a.m.

Actually, at the level I've seen for Super Vee engines, I'm not sure they're still cheap. IIRC in final state they ran something like 160-180hp or more. At those power levels I expect similar refresh prices to what you see in older FAs.

Mind you, getting those power levels out of a 1600dp isn't going to be cheap or great for longevity either.

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
2/5/18 5:44 p.m.

Super Vee...

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