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Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
7/29/13 3:31 p.m.

The schedule's been tweaked for this year. Here it is. You can also see it on the event page.

Nov 15:
9 a.m.–noon — Registration and Tech
Noon–6 p.m. — Autocross
4 p.m.–10 p.m. — Drags
Sonny's BBQ will be provided at the track that night.

Nov 16
10 a.m.–4 p.m. — Car show under the pavilion.
6 p.m.–10 p.m. — Awards Banquet

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
7/29/13 3:34 p.m.

So can day 2 am be make up if the drags are rained out?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 5:57 p.m.

We are autocrossing and drag racing on the same day?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 6:02 p.m.
Alan Cesar wrote: You can also see it on the event page.

No we can't. The events page only goes through Oct.

Argo1
Argo1 HalfDork
7/29/13 7:27 p.m.

Hopefully, future years can go back to Sept/ Oct. We are out as long as it is in Nov. Conflicts with family/ holidays.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg UltimaDork
7/29/13 7:38 p.m.
SVreX wrote: We are autocrossing and drag racing on the same day?

Yeah, not much time to sort out the car's set up changes

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 7:45 p.m.

Wow. Guess I missed something.

uggh.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg UltimaDork
7/29/13 7:47 p.m.

The Nelson (PACC) car usually undergoes hours of changes from autocross trim to drag.

Even my lowbrow cars have some changes to be made.

SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
7/29/13 7:48 p.m.

Well, this should prove to be interesting. No more Concourse!!!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 7:48 p.m.

In reply to aussiesmg:

It's not just the set up changes.

It's the cool morning air for the drags, the exhausted driver, the FL heat on cars without AC, etc. etc.

I don't ever remember not being totally worn out by 2:00 in the afternoon, with no morning registration. That's 2 hours before the drags even start.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 7:49 p.m.
SilverFleet wrote: Well, this should prove to be interesting. No more Concourse!!!

Wait a minute...

Is the "Car Show" not the same as the concourse?

Is the scoring being calculated differently?

Where the heck have I been???

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
7/29/13 8:04 p.m.

Are we sharing the drags with a test and tune night ?

SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
7/29/13 8:32 p.m.

I can see a lot of cars exploding by the end of Friday.

And I could be wrong... the car show could just be everyone doing Concourse all at the same time.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/29/13 8:34 p.m.
MrJoshua wrote: Are we sharing the drags with a test and tune night ?

Not according to the track's schedule

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
7/29/13 9:26 p.m.
SilverFleet wrote: And I could be wrong... the car show could just be everyone doing Concourse all at the same time.

That's what I'm assuming, and I do like! :D

Spinout007
Spinout007 UltraDork
7/29/13 10:34 p.m.

Have they put a bigger pavilion in? 30+ cars in the old blue one is going to be tight. Add some rain to the mix and it will be downright crowded.

Derick Freese
Derick Freese SuperDork
7/30/13 2:14 a.m.

So, is holding both races on the same day for scheduling purposes, or is it to force people into running a similar setup for both timed events?

tuna55
tuna55 PowerDork
7/30/13 7:03 a.m.

The car show is after they all dun blowd up?

Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
7/30/13 7:06 a.m.
SVreX wrote:
Alan Cesar wrote: You can also see it on the event page.
No we can't. The events page only goes through Oct.

There's a "Schedule" button on the sidebar of the event page, which you can see on the home page. http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/2013challenge/

Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
7/30/13 7:12 a.m.

I'm sorry for the confusion: The car show is concurrent with the concours judging. The idea is that everyone gathers 'round, hangs out and eyeballs each other's cars all up close and personal while the judges do their thing.

Yes, autocross and drags in the same day. If you have hours of setup changes to do, get your fast autocross time done in the morning while the weather's cool and your car is making max power. You'd probably want to run the drag later for the same reason.

Don't think you have time? Hey, it's called a "challenge."

And if you blow up before the concours, you won't be the first car to roll to the judges under human power.

Good luck.

Gasoline
Gasoline Dork
7/30/13 7:27 a.m.

It now does not sound like much fun for solo efforts.

Spinout007
Spinout007 UltraDork
7/30/13 8:09 a.m.

In reply to Gasoline:

Kinda agree, but at the same time. Rarely is it a solo effort if you get there early and make some "friends" the night before. Random people walking through the pits often pitch in a hand even if only for a few minutes. I remember well Mr. Pruitt running away when we were changing springs without a spring compressor on our RX7 one year. Thing is, you don't need one for miata springs on RX7 shocks.

spin_out
spin_out Reader
7/30/13 8:43 a.m.

Ouch! The dynamic scores will be in before the concourse. So people will know what Concourse score they will need to win. Concourse suddenly became a lot more important. (It used to be that you knew the drag time you needed to win.)

It might be time to go to Olympic style concourse scoring where the high and low judge scores are dropped so one person can not determine the winner.

There was a team at a prior event that would have taken first in concourse if one judge's score was not far below the rest. Simple math says one person can select the winner without Olympic style judging.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/30/13 9:26 a.m.
Alan Cesar wrote: ...get your fast autocross time done in the morning while the weather's cool and your car is making max power. ..

Can't. AutoX starts at noon.

Just saying...

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
7/30/13 9:28 a.m.

While i'm a little sad about the new format, let's be serious here....

It's November. It's not going to be balls friggin' hot like it was in 2012. If you're wanting 50 degree weather for maximum power, then i'd suggest organizing your own event in a state that isn't, you know.... Florida.

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