So I picked up my '98 M3 this past Spring and I've been slowly working my way through the maintenance back log. A few weeks ago I bought the Motive Power Fill and two bottles of Redline MTL (this isn't an oil dissertation, if you like something else, great!).
I finally got around to doing this job this morning and it was quite the caper, here's the tale. Grab a beer and enjoy.
(NOTE: ALWAYS break the fill plug free 1st!)
BTW, have you noticed that gear oil is, by far, the most disgusting smelling fluid in your car? I seriously think it smells worse than Dog Broccolli Farts (DBF) which are pretty high on the rank smelling scale.
Make a mental note that the hook doesn't seem to make all that great of a connection into the Motive hose, but it doesn't fall out when its placed into the fill hole of the transmission.
Cue ominous music....
Murphy, enters Stage Left....
Bring on the Cobra Kai! I'm gonna clean their clocks!
So, the Motive works exceedingly well, IF the hook stays in the hose. Which I seriously doubt it will. This seems to be a pretty huge flaw in the tool, which should allow you to fill whatever you want, solo, just like their Power Bleeder does. There needs to be a far longer, more positive engagement between the hose and the hook.
I think (well, no, I know) I spent far more time cleaning up the mess this thing made than I did on the actual job. The good news is it worked, I didn't have to buy more Redline oil and I can check off the transmission fluid box on my maintenance log. Hopefully I cleaned the garage floor well enough that my wife doesn't remark on the DBF gear oil smell....
Your welcome.
Yeah, I'm really disappointed in the Motive Power Fill. That hook literally goes into the hose 1/4" and doesn't really snap into place. Really poor design...
I still need to use it to swap out the differential fluids in my Cayenne too. I've gotta figure out a better way for that hook to fit in the hose before I do that job though...
Peter Egan would be proud to have written this. By far and away the most enjoyable thing I've read today.
But I am sorry that my entertainment came at such great cost to you. I think David or JG should send you a t-shirt, gratis, for willingly sharing your pain and suffering.
Thanks ZOO, glad you enjoyed it.
I'd gladly take a GRM Tshirt for my troubles. Most of my GRM Tshirts are already in my stained garage clothing pile that I so wantonly ignored yesterday so I could ruin another shirt to add it to the pile...
Great read. I concur with the Egan comparison.
Silly question, but what's wrong with the cheap gear oil pumps sold at FLAPS? That's what I used to fill gear oil in a E36, and well... many other cars since.
I have a hand pump that screws onto gallon trans fluid bottles.
And if I have quart bottles I keep cheap tubing around to cut a length for whatever I am filling. It just slip fits onto those pointy tops. Squeeze and release bottle to work as a pump. Best part is i dont clean much. Just throw the hose and bottle away.
This is why we still use a manual pump at work. My personal opinion is burnt ATF smells worse then gear oil. Id much rather do fluids in diffs and manual trans cars then all the automatics with brown atf.
BMW puts ATF in the transmissions of the E36's. That's probably what I removed.
The FLAPS near me suck, they have little to no tool selection. Since I'd had such good luck with my Motive Power Bleeder I figured the Power Fill would work just as well.
Not so much...
I got a chuckle out of that.
There are several foul-smelling messes in my distant past. I have learned many tricks to keep the stuff off myself and the floor since but the gist of it always goes like this:
1) Go to Lowes and buy several sizes of clear hose in 10' lengths and 2 stoppers that fit each.
2) Get a 1qt funnel.
4) Get the Sunday paper
5) Stick the hose that fills the hole best into the orifice you wish to fill and clamp/tape/etc it in there.
6) Lay several layers of the Sunday paper under the thing you are filling
7) Get out from under the car, hold the funnel at an altitude high above the hole where you can see the paper and pour about 2/3 of the fill amount as quickly as it will go but NEVER fill anything into the funnel itself!!!
8) Slowly add the rest and as soon as you see a drip... shove a stopper in the funnel end to stop the flow, dive under, yank hose, stuff a stopper in that end to stop it dripping and insert fill plug to stop the overflow.
9) Stick the funnel in the oil container. Stick both ends of the hose in the funnel and yank the stoppers and empty the hose into the original container.
9) Wipe up, roll up newspaper and toss into fire pit along with your nitrile gloves.
10) Tighten plug.
*11) If something goes horribly wrong you should have some kitty litter handy but if you never risk more than a pint at a time the newspaper will save you.
If goes right - your hair will not have a lovely sheen and not smell like a mine fire.
Oh you thnik BDF oil smells bad now....just wait you'll smell it every hot day when its humid for at least 25 years.... you just can't get that smell out.... oh and your clothes don't even think of washing them in your family washer... your better off just to light them on fire in the back yard. When i was 17 i grabbed my mom's subaru wagon to go get a trans at the junk yard. i drained said trans the day before and put down blankets and newspaper... whell it leaked some on the 4 miles home and 30+ years later the car sits in my brother's junk yard it still stinks of gear lube.
Ian F wrote: Great read. I concur with the Egan comparison. Silly question, but what's wrong with the cheap gear oil pumps sold at FLAPS? That's what I used to fill gear oil in a E36, and well... many other cars since.
They seem to only work the first time. After they sit, their main function is to leak past the plunger seal.
(You ain't smelled Bad Fluid Smell until you've smelled burnt GM automatic transfer case fluid. The stuff that goes in thin and blue. Heavy clutch slippage turns it into a kind of carmelized burnt-silicone tar that smells revolting. It's even worse than Ford limited-slip additive)
Robbie wrote: I have a hand pump that screws onto gallon trans fluid bottles. And if I have quart bottles I keep cheap tubing around to cut a length for whatever I am filling. It just slip fits onto those pointy tops. Squeeze and release bottle to work as a pump. Best part is i dont clean much. Just throw the hose and bottle away. J
I've been doing it exactly the same way using a hand pump with a longer length hose attached to the quart bottle as per Ron Stygar page
In reply to Ian F:
Excellent! They only seem to last one or two times before they are useless for me. Both the siphon gun type pump (which is AWESOME, very fast and easy) and the soap dispenser type pump, which is ideal when working from gallon containers because Coastal is $15 for a gallon and not $10 a quart.
Here's my version:
Assemble Ford 302 motor and T5 transmission on work bench with new clutch and pressure plate. Fill the T5 with Redline ATF while it's on the bench because that will be easier than doing it once it's in the car.
Lift the pair as a unit with the hoist and begin installing it in the E36 engine bay. Hard to get it lined up on the motor mounts and it takes a while. Keep wondering what that smell is.
Eventually realize once the output of the T5 points down a little bit, gravity pours all the Redline out of it.
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