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logdog (Forum Supporter)
logdog (Forum Supporter) UberDork
10/17/22 12:25 p.m.

For those that haven't seen it, the 2023 Lemons schedule came out last week.  One item of particular interest to us was the Rally they have planned for Alaska.  I've never been to Alaska.  Mrs. Logdog has never been to Alaska.  Bad choices make good stories so we signed up and paid yesterday to lock in our spot.  This particular Rally has a limit of 25 teams and we wanted to reserve the spot before coming to our senses.

Other than knowing the dates of the rally, we have not planned anything yet.  Haven't decided if we are flying up, driving up, buying a car, renting a car, dragging up one of our hoopties....nothing.

So I turn to the Hive for any life experiences.  Anything in particular I should know about Alaska other than start with a copy of the Milepost book?  How bad is driving the Alaska highway should we choose to be extra dumb?  Anybody want to call dibs on the Disco'stang in case I get eaten by an Elk?

 

 

 

llysgennad
llysgennad HalfDork
10/17/22 1:53 p.m.

You are insane. You are going to die and the giant mosquitos are going to carry off your body.

Just kidding, have fun!

Dibs

Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself PowerDork
10/17/22 2:21 p.m.

I lived in Anchorage/Nome for about a half a year when I was 19.   But that was a VERY long time ago.  


  AFAIK, a ferry would ordinarily be part of your trip with that route.  But without it, you a looking at 1500+ miles of driving just in AK.

The ALCAN is much better than it was, but you are still going to lose sections of the road do to frost heaves.  It will be a very long trip up, if you're driving.  We drove out to Seattle from Chicago, and took the ferry up one time.  It will at least give you come time to rest from all the driving.

It is an incredibly beautiful state.

It is going to be incredibly expensive.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
10/17/22 2:35 p.m.

Loved Fairbanks

Loved Anchorage (downtown huge fight in the park, had to call coops, tons of bloddy people -that was fun with kids eating Chili Chocolate iceream)

Loved Seward the most. Fox Island and glaciers. 

Denali was good -except for the awful buses. 

Have fun. Wish could have visited Juneau.   Drove a 2020 Toyota Camry all over.

 

 

ggarrard
ggarrard Reader
10/17/22 3:28 p.m.

Hopefully Crankwalk (?) will chime in ....  he should have some insight...

 

Gordon 

Indy - Guy
Indy - Guy UltimaDork
10/17/22 3:37 p.m.

This thread by Chris Nonack in the trips and adventures area would be a good start (he drove a Subbie up there).  Maybe he'll eventually pop in here for some advice.

logdog (Forum Supporter)
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10/17/22 6:02 p.m.

In reply to llysgennad :

logdog (Forum Supporter)
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10/17/22 6:04 p.m.
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself said:



It is going to be incredibly expensive.

Oh yeah..... We did some checking on things like rental cars and hotels before committing. We are selling it to ourselves as a "Once in a lifetime trip" to keep the delusion up. laugh 

 

logdog (Forum Supporter)
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10/17/22 6:08 p.m.

 

It would be one of the dumbest things I have ever done, but I keep thinking if I could pull this off in 6 days each direction I could make it work. 

 

02Pilot
02Pilot UberDork
10/17/22 6:41 p.m.

In reply to logdog (Forum Supporter) :

With two drivers, no problem. That's basically 600 miles/day. I did 500/day solo, covering 5,000 miles in two weeks, in a Miata. Yeah, sure, it's remote and all, but you only live once.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
10/17/22 7:00 p.m.

First step, you need an 80s Ferrari.

Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself PowerDork
10/17/22 8:21 p.m.
logdog (Forum Supporter) said:
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself said:



It is going to be incredibly expensive.

Oh yeah..... We did some checking on things like rental cars and hotels before committing. We are selling it to ourselves as a "Once in a lifetime trip" to keep the delusion up. laugh 

 

If you can afford it, it's all good.   I just like to mention this to anyone who hasn't been there, as most everything has to be shipped from the Lower 48.   Food and housing can be very expensive.   Also realize 600 mile days aren't the same as driving interstates in the L48.    Plan your fuel and rest stops well.   

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ SuperDork
10/17/22 8:54 p.m.
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself said:
logdog (Forum Supporter) said:
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself said:



It is going to be incredibly expensive.

Oh yeah..... We did some checking on things like rental cars and hotels before committing. We are selling it to ourselves as a "Once in a lifetime trip" to keep the delusion up. laugh 

 

If you can afford it, it's all good.   I just like to mention this to anyone who hasn't been there, as most everything has to be shipped from the Lower 48.   Food and housing can be very expensive.   Also realize 600 mile days aren't the same as driving interstates in the L48.    Plan your fuel and rest stops well.   

The shock you'll get from the food prices will be like the shock a person from 2019 would get if they could see now.

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman SuperDork
10/17/22 9:21 p.m.

Dream road trip for me. Need to start a different business so that isn't my busiest time of the year. 

RacerBoy75
RacerBoy75 New Reader
10/17/22 10:19 p.m.

Interesting Alaska trivia - there are only 4 highways in the state of Alaska!

I've spent quite a bit of time in Alaska for work, so I'm familiar with the state. 

The rally route is very do-able, those are all state highways that are in pretty good shape. And the scenery is pretty good on those roads (everyone thinks Alaska is a gorgeous place, but most of it is tundra and pretty flat and featureless. But there aren't any highways on the Tundra, so it's not a problem). The drive north out of Palmer as far as Talkeetna is actually not that pretty and kind of boring. I have not driven north of Talkeetna. The drive from Palmer to Valdez is stunning, at least during the winter, and Valdez is absolutely beautiful.

If you fly and then buy in Alaska, keep in mind that cars are a lot more expensive there, and I wouldn't buy anything older than ten years old. It's a place that can be pretty hard on cars. If it was me driving to Alaska from NY, I'd want a very comfortable vehicle that can eat miles without beating you up. I've never driven TO Alaska, only IN Alaska, but the people I know that have driven there and back have all said the same thing - it takes forever to get there, and you can't really stop and get out of the car to take a break because you'll get eaten alive by the mosquitos the further north you go. Places to stay and eat are few and far between. My sister drove there with her husband and three year daughter in a Corolla, and she said it was the worst thing they ever did. It was a miracle they didn't kill each other, and she didn't want to talk to her spouse for about a week once they made it home. The road can also be really rough, with lots of road construction and big trucks kicking up rocks.

I would also have some realistic expectations about the weather; it can be really wet and cold, even in the summer.  It's changes quickly. I've been in Anchorage when it was 77 degrees and sunny, and the next day it was low 50's and pouring.

If it were me, I'd fly there and rent something (also expensive, but cheaper and less hassle than buying and then selling something). You can spend some of the time that you didn't take driving there and see the pretty places in Alaska. You'll see Valdez, and you can go to Denali (if the weather is good, take a scenic flight around the mountain, it's spectacular). If you are into fishing, there's tons of possibilities. If your budget allows, you could fly to Nome for the day (which is long enough, believe me!), or if you want to go north of the Arctic Circle, fly to Kotzebue. 

I keep using the word expensive, because everything there IS expensive, and during the summer flights, rental cars, lodging, and food is pricey. Well, it's pricey all the time, but it's worse in the summer because of all the tourists. I'd start making reservations for lodging now, and I'd arrange flights and rental car by March at the latest. 

 

 

 

 

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
10/17/22 10:36 p.m.

I went in 1989, spent three weeks in Homer. I decided I wanted to go back every year. Life got in the way, as the expression goes. Haven't been there since. Magical place. 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
10/17/22 10:45 p.m.

In reply to RacerBoy75 :

Cars expensive?  This is all you need. And a mullet.

 

Asphalt_Gundam
Asphalt_Gundam Reader
10/18/22 9:11 a.m.

Gears and Gasoline have done a Florida to Alaska trip...twice. Its a good watch.

Driving from Florida to Alaska, Again - Episode 1 - YouTube

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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10/18/22 9:28 a.m.
Indy - Guy said:

This thread by Chris Nonack in the trips and adventures area would be a good start (he drove a Subbie up there).  Maybe he'll eventually pop in here for some advice.

Hi!  First thing I'd do is tweak your route because otherwise you'll miss Glacier and Banff and the Icefields Parkway- here's what we did:

The things I'd prioritize in the car are:

Fuel range- we did the trip in April so a lot of stuff in the Yukon was still snowed in, maybe it won't be as much of an issue for you in warmer times but 300+ miles to a tank is very nice to have.  If not, carry a fuel can.

Cruising speed- yeah yeah, legal limits and all that but lets' be honest... if you're stuck with a max speed of 70mph this trip gets a LOT longer.

Repairability/reliability- again, the better time of year might help you here but no matter how you slice the drive you will be really, really far from most things and without cell signal for a significant portion of northern BC and Yukon, plan accordingly.

I wouldn't worry much about frost heaves and potholes and stuff- yeah, they're present, but keep your eyes on the road and you shouldn't really have issues, it's not like things suddenly go from all good to massive sinkholes or anything.

Any specific questions pertaining to driving roughly the route we took let me know- I'm far from an expert but we did just do this like 6 months ago.

 

Rons
Rons HalfDork
10/18/22 12:29 p.m.

Remember if you drive you are crossing international borders and both countries have documentation requirements you should be aware of. Canada has reasons that you could be denied entry - prohibited/restricted goods, a conviction considered a felony in Canada are examples.

golfduke
golfduke Dork
10/18/22 12:41 p.m.

I've only been to Alaska on a cruise (cheating, I totally admit), but may I suggest a hybrid plan???  Fly into Seattle or Vancouver, rent/buy/borrow/steal something to drive up and back...?  I just see the 63 hours one-way and see a LOT of boring countryside and traffic nightmares in between you and the cool stuff.  So given that, I'd probably try and take a quick hop closer to maximize the scenic (and foreign to the East Coast) driving scenery and locale. 

 

I'd also not love the idea of bringing a 'heap' along on this trip.  Like Chris mentioned, I think picking a dead-solid reliable vehicle is key due to the remoteness of some of the driving up there.  I'd hate to be stranded in my 1992 Mitsubishi 3000gt  looking for a stupid charge pipe or some other dumb crap in the middle of the Yukon Territories.

Either way, I'm following along.  Sounds awesome and I hope you have an amazing and trouble-free time! 

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) PowerDork
10/18/22 1:34 p.m.

I am a very long time Lemons racer, and now staff member, but I have never done a rally.  This one is VERY interesting to me.  My wife and I are actively looking at our schedule to see how we can make this happen.

Rons
Rons HalfDork
10/18/22 1:51 p.m.

In reply to golfduke :

It would probably better to buy in Seattle, if the car is bought in Canada the buyer would be importing the car at the US border.

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
10/18/22 2:06 p.m.

I was in Alaska a few months ago. When people say "expensive", they mean it. 
 

My bus driver in Scagway pointed out that there was only 1 gas station (next closest was in another country), and that they had NO price signs for the gas. None. 
 

She said it's not worth asking. If you want gas, you are gonna buy. On that day it was $12.50 per gallon. 

logdog (Forum Supporter)
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10/18/22 4:36 p.m.

Lots of good feedback and info here.  Thanks everybody!

Since we signed up on Sunday there has been a lot of brainstorming, Google Maps research, looking at the used car market, eyeballing storage units, flight schedules, ferry schedules, youtube watchin', and all other sorts of time wasting behavior.   The biggest constraint on everything is time so we have decided that flying in and doing a rental, while the most boring, makes the most sense.  Doing that means we can have a few days before and after the rally to relax and do tourist things.  Once we buy plane tickets that will lock the decision in, but until then Im open to anybody with a running diesel Chevette for sale in Dawson Creek.

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