Why would you want an all wheel drive toyabru...just buy a WRX.
Why would you want an all wheel drive toyabru...just buy a WRX.
Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them.
Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car.
Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best.
Neither of the above.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: Seems silly to me to make it AWD. There's already a ton of WRXs you can buy. Making this into one of them kind of defeats the whole purpose for me. I like that it's a simple, front engine, rear drive car. Makes it relatively light and should handle in a way those of us who like that traditional lay out will enjoy.
It is, but what's the internet without arguing over the trivial?
iceracer wrote: Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them. Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car. Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best. Neither of the above.
eh, don't ruin the group hug. As to the OP, Italian? hahahahahaha. As it sits, I doubt it could outrun my Shelby GLHS in the canyons.
forzav12 wrote:iceracer wrote: Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them. Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car. Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best. Neither of the above.As to the OP, Italian? hahahahahaha.
Looks, compared to anything that's come out of the Toyota/Subaru lineup in forever, it doesn't fit the boring mold IMO...
Lots of room under-room currently taken up by exhaust, but exhaust is easy to move.
Put the front diff where the turbo sits in this pic:
The Subie AWD trans already uses the more truck like AWD method of a transfer case with a driveshaft running forward to a diff, they just hide it all in the transmission. It would take very little for them to modify that concept to an external diff mounted under the engine.
It is possible, just not by a diy-er using all stock parts from a WRX. I think its a dumb idea anyway. Plenty of AWD available from the WRX, let this thing be what it was designed to be.
MrJoshua wrote:Javelin wrote: In reply to Nashco: Please elaborate as to your solution. We are all ears! Because to us people who haven't ever homebuilt an AWD car, it looks impossible. So I seriously want to know what your solution would be.I am going to have to go with Nashco on this one. It won't work with the current AWD transmission used by Subaru behind that engine, but it is far from impossible. The diff can be offset and one of the axles can go through the engine. If an important part of the engine is in the way move the engine forward or backwards a few inches.
I'd love to see an offset diff sitting next to a cylinder on a horizontally-opposed engine. 
In reply to Javelin:
I even own a WRX and my brain was too far on vacation to think about that. 
Anyway, check out the post just above yours. I think it could go underneath. If not-the whole engine is only 18" long, move it back a few more inches and hang the diff off of the front.
Otto Maddox wrote: Playing devil's advocate again - why is this car better than an RX-8? Ok reliability, looks and MPG, but why is it a better driver's car?
Well, I would say those are enough but to add another reason. The RX8 isn't being made anymore. So comparing it to an RX8 is like comparing it to any used car. Although I am interested in how it stacks up in performance & handling against an RX8. Eventually I'll have to replace my RX8 so having a suitable replacement option would be nice. Although by the time I get around to it these should be plentiful.
Although I do like Hyundai's, currently have 2 in the family and have owned 2 others. I don't believe that the Genesis is comparable to this, a Genesis is a heavy car.
Oh, it seems to be human nature to complain about anything. Especially if we don't have what we're complaining about.
Argh... This makes me sad I got impatient and bought a MINI Cooper S last year.
Javelin wrote:alfadriver wrote: Wow, first car sold to someone who knows a poster here, and the car is so inadequate that it needs another $2-10k worth of mods? so it missed the apparent mark, then.Seriously? That's your dig?!? I don't think there's been a *single* car purchased on this forum that *hasn't* had tires swapped, including my Mazda5, Brad's 944, aussie's Elantra, etc, etc. I mean, seriously? It's bad that we want to add grip!!?!?
I'm not talking about tires. Although some have posted bigger tires... But there are a few posts about stance, and spring/shock packages, and blowers, and, and and....
For a car that should be spot on out of the box, a lot of people are asking for big changes.
If you want a dig, a real dig- here's my honest opinion. This looks like the perfect drivers car. And that is IT. To me, the looks are very boring, Toyota isn't going to attract anyone who wants one for the "image", Subie might get some test drivers, but they'll want Turbo. So anyone who buys a car for image will be not so happy. IMHO.
I'll give it a year before sales of the pair are under 5k. There just are not enough "drivers" out there.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: Seems silly to me to make it AWD. There's already a ton of WRXs you can buy. Making this into one of them kind of defeats the whole purpose for me. I like that it's a simple, front engine, rear drive car. Makes it relatively light and should handle in a way those of us who like that traditional lay out will enjoy.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling...damn I agree with Eddie, it's a first.
Otto Maddox wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:3,362 lbs. Ouch. I guess that is what happens when you try to build a sports coupe on a luxury car chassis. But then again, BMWs are big fat pigs, even the 1-series, and they are pretty fun to drive.Raze wrote: In reply to Otto Maddox: not with it's curb weight...What he said.
Dang. I like the styling, but to gain 30 hp and 760+ lbs for about the same price, I'll keep the Cooper S, thanks.
alfadriver wrote: I'll give it a year before sales of the pair are under 5k. There just are not enough "drivers" out there.
I hope you're wrong. We just bought my wife a new car and I'd like to get something new(ish) and cool when it's paid off.
iceracer wrote: Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them. Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car. Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best. Neither of the above.
Best 28k bang for buck sports cars?
Found at FT86 club - no website link apparently. FT86club MT article July
Post # 6 has scanned PDF copies of the July issue.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6776
and the forum has decided to swap the numbers. But yeah Randy's favorite was not the FRS/BRZ and they also were not the fastest
You know how the answer to questions on this forum is usually "miata!"... well not anymore with this car.
Test drove and 'purchased' one Wednesday (FR-S 6spd MT in Asphalt) ..will be taking it home Friday 5/25. A Miata doesn't directly compare to its handling and feel. It's kind of hard to describe the FR-S handling other than the car does what you think lightning quick and with extreme precision while always poised and 'planted' and is its own driving dynamic. You just have to drive one and see... The stock tires are actually fairly grippy, good enough for .92G, and nothing more is really needed for road use. But for track it would be good to have some lightweight wheels (stock wheels are not really lightweight at nearly 21lbs) and sticky tires. Not sure on what brake pads for track use...but the stock brakes are simply as communicative as the steering for street use, really impressive. Can't wait to break her in for 1000 miles so I can go on track and really see what she's like past 4 k rpms...
I don't see how AWD would fit with the intent of this vehicle. Subaru's AWD system is lacking in the precision, communicativity, response, and balance departments compared to the FR-S, totally separate and different driving dynamics. Drive an FR-S and you will understand why they did what they did...
If I didn't need a real back seat, I'd be considering one of these to replace the Opel. "Insurance" seats don't cut it when you often carry around 3 adult passengers. Shame I can't swing that much more money at a car.
SillyImportRacer wrote:alfadriver wrote: I'll give it a year before sales of the pair are under 5k. There just are not enough "drivers" out there.I hope you're wrong. We just bought my wife a new car and I'd like to get something new(ish) and cool when it's paid off.
So do I.
OTOH, if sales are light, when you can get your own new car, then the incentives may be pretty strong...
Listen i like subarus but the reliability is not what people think
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/and-if-that-was-1999/49893/page2/
I found these 8 threads in 5 minutes of searching while a little tipsy and to add on that my fathers 2.5 in his 97 outback gave its headgaskets at 98k and is eating coolant now @ 196k.
I could go on but owning an RX-8 i guess i can't say too much lol
alfadriver wrote: So do I. OTOH, if sales are light, when you can get your own new car, then the incentives may be pretty strong...
And I'd be highly surprised if it isn't manufactured at least 3 years, even if sales do tank.
iceracer wrote: Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them. Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car. Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best. Neither of the above.
Sounds like they are both just a factory alignment swap away from being the same car on the track...
sobe_death wrote: Sounds like they are both just a factory alignment swap away from being the same car on the track...
No, they have different shocks/springs, I believe.
forzav12 wrote:iceracer wrote: Motor Trend just did a track test/ comparison of six sporty cars under $30K. The BRZ and the FR-S were two of them. Randy Pobst was the test driver and he like the BRZ better, said the FR-S was too loose on entry, would make a good drift car. Gues what car had the best track time and which car he liked the best. Neither of the above.eh, don't ruin the group hug. As to the OP, Italian? hahahahahaha. As it sits, I doubt it could outrun my Shelby GLHS in the canyons.
The article I saw had the BRZ and FR-S as the top two of the cars. And it isn't really fair to compare the cars to a used car. I am sure their are plenty of cars that are owned by members of this board that could outrun both these cars.
All the stuff I am reading about these cars seems contradictory. Apparently the twins are the best or the worst drift cars ever. Lucky for me, I care zero about drifting.
JtspellS wrote: Listen i like subarus but the reliability is not what people think... to add on that my fathers 2.5 in his 97 outback gave its headgaskets at 98k and is eating coolant now @ 196k.
To be fair, the head gasket issue is a design flaw for that particular generation of engines.
And to complain about any problem at 196k is being a little cheeky, don't you think :) Many cars don't make it to 196k.
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