Was that a yellow Volvo 1800 you were racing? How did you do against him?
Was that a yellow Volvo 1800 you were racing? How did you do against him?
You were well past the front bumper to driver's door threshold that most series use to define a clean pass so from a rules perspective that was unquestionably a clean pass.
The lane change from outside to inside so close the corner makes the pass slightly questionable from the "is this a good idea" perspective but she left a really wide opening and it looked like you had both grip margin and room to move over if she didn't realize you were there.
From the "Monday morning quarterback, watching the replay over and over, would I do this the same way again perspective" I think you could have made the same pass on the outside with less risk.
In reply to AClockworkGarage :
Once again I fail to meet the standard. LOL
VolvoHeretic said:Was that a yellow Volvo 1800 you were racing? How did you do against him?
Yup it's an 1800. I'm faster in the corners but get mauled on the straights. At Buttonwillow I do mange to finish ahead of him.
Cool track, VERY cool cars!
Add another one to the pile- I don't think it was a dive bomb, especially since you didnt float up the racing line too much to hold the pass... but If I'm trying to play devil's advocate, I'd say it was a vintage race and there's no need to wad up unique, cool assed cars on the first lap. But again, that's only an argument to make to find the contrarian's point of view, which I'm not really in support of in this instance.
APEowner said:You were well past the front bumper to driver's door threshold that most series use to define a clean pass so from a rules perspective that was unquestionably a clean pass.
The lane change from outside to inside so close the corner makes the pass slightly questionable from the "is this a good idea" perspective but she left a really wide opening and it looked like you had both grip margin and room to move over if she didn't realize you were there.
From the "Monday morning quarterback, watching the replay over and over, would I do this the same way again perspective" I think you could have made the same pass on the outside with less risk.
First, I knew exactly where the cars behind me were. I'm also faster than them into the corners.
The teenage Karter driving the ITS 240SX remarked that I managed to pass the 356 and shut the door on him in one move.
As for the outside pass; the Fiat X1/9 was originally up high so I thought I might have a chance to zap him as well.....turned out to not even be close.
Tom1200 said:APEowner said:You were well past the front bumper to driver's door threshold that most series use to define a clean pass so from a rules perspective that was unquestionably a clean pass.
The lane change from outside to inside so close the corner makes the pass slightly questionable from the "is this a good idea" perspective but she left a really wide opening and it looked like you had both grip margin and room to move over if she didn't realize you were there.
From the "Monday morning quarterback, watching the replay over and over, would I do this the same way again perspective" I think you could have made the same pass on the outside with less risk.
First, I knew exactly where the cars behind me were. I'm also faster than them into the corners.
The teenage Karter driving the ITS 240SX remarked that I managed to pass the 356 and shut the door on him in one move.
As for the outside pass; the Fiat X1/9 was originally up high so I thought I might have a chance to zap him as well.....turned out to not even be close.
To be clear, if I saw this pass on track or in a video and you hadn't asked for feedback I would have considered it as slightly on the aggressive side in some race environments, not even noticeable in others but totally OK anywhere. If I were the 356 driver I'd make a mental note that you're slightly aggressive and very fast in the corners and be more aware of where you are in the future. If I were you racing around the 356 I'd make a mental note that she might be caught off guard by quick moves and be prepared for that.
From an overall perspective it was a clean pass and while it did surprise her she also noticed you before she turned in so again no big deal.
I saw no problem.
Sometimes its an organization's culture that has to be understood.
Having raced for many years at the national level, one time I was using a regional race test day to sort the car. Our run group left the grid and I proceeded to pass folks left and right as they "warmed their tires". Many got their pants all in a wad claiming you shouldn't be going fast on the warm-up lap. I chose to just stay silent and not debate.
In reply to APEowner :
I've raced with the group twice a year for the past 14 years. I have a reputation for getting the most out of the cars as well as being aggressive but I'm also know for racing folks cleanly.
I want to keep it that way.
In reply to Purple Frog :
I've encountered that sort of thing at a SCCA Time Trail event; people run opening laps way slower than they need to.
Tom1200 said:I've encountered that sort of thing at a SCCA Time Trail event; people run opening laps way slower than they need to.
Definitely not the right way to approach TT, IME. At least with NASA you only get 2-3 clear laps before you start to catch backmarker traffic, so it's very important to be fast as soon as possible.
You were naturally able to brake enough later than her to make it a clean pass. Familiarity with the other drivers is a big help in that regard.
I had somebody in a faster car try a move like that on me and fail because they apparently assumed slower car = slower driver. Thankfully they chose to go 4-off rather than pit/punt me.
In reply to Driven5 :
Ironic you mention this. Apparently in practice one of the fast cars came up on me at turn one. He slotted to the inside like he was going to pass and then was quite surprised at the corner speed I was carrying.
My buddy was watching from the stand and said it was funny as hell.
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