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AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair Dork
10/8/08 9:29 a.m.

grounds?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/8/08 10:16 a.m.
AngryCorvair wrote: grounds?

Checked. They are good.

EPcivic
EPcivic New Reader
10/8/08 4:13 p.m.

Any chance the distributer is 180deg out? I don't think a Honda will let you do that? Any chance the plug wires are going to the wrong places? Things liek this rarely just break while sitting. Think about exactly what you have done since it last ran - there must be a clue somewhere.

-Chris

John Brown
John Brown SuperDork
10/8/08 4:14 p.m.

Were there any Hongs near your car?

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/8/08 4:16 p.m.

Of course there have been Hongers near it. Hmmm- I wonder where poopshovel got the motor for their LeMons car....

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/8/08 5:26 p.m.

Plug wires are on correctly. I've got another distributor that I'm going to check out tonight. The spare distributor should eliminate crank angle sensor, coil, ignitor, etc. from the equation.

And yeah - these engines have an offset key that makes it difficult / impossible to install the distributor out of phase.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/8/08 8:58 p.m.

Why didn't anyone suggest timing? ;)

Cam gear was off 4-5 teeth. Can't fix it tonight, but I'm pretty sure that's it. I need to figure out how / why it slipped, but it did.

clownkiller
clownkiller New Reader
10/8/08 9:23 p.m.

"Timing should be fine, as the car ran when parked, and it hasn't changed"

You knocked out timing right away.

carzan
carzan New Reader
10/9/08 5:56 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: Why didn't anyone suggest timing? ;) Cam gear was off 4-5 teeth. Can't fix it tonight, but I'm pretty sure that's it. I need to figure out how / why it slipped, but it did.

Hehe...glad you found it.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/9/08 6:39 a.m.

always the simple basic stuff isn't it?

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/9/08 6:49 a.m.

Huh. That's weird. Why would it be off that much? Way back in the Dark Ages (1972), the 907 Lotus was known for the cam journal tolerances being so tight that on a cold morning the cams would stick and the belt would jump at startup. AFAIK Hondas don't do that.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/9/08 6:50 a.m.

Yeah - I've got no clue how the timing slipped in the time since it last ran. Nothing in that arena has even been touched. The only suspicion is that I first noticed that the cam gear had slipped. When I went to reset it to zero, I noticed that the bolts were loose. How they got loose just sitting there, I will never know, but I'm thinking that the loose bolts led to erratic movement in the timing belt while cranking, which led to it jumping teeth.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
10/9/08 8:18 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: I'm not a Honduh person, but, motors is motors. ... I'm betting on timing.

John Brown
John Brown SuperDork
10/9/08 8:22 a.m.

I will bet he has had a Hongfestation in his garage.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/9/08 8:32 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote:
Dr. Hess wrote: I'm not a Honduh person, but, motors is motors. ... I'm betting on timing.

But the timing has to be right, because it ran like this... :rolls eyes:

In my defense, after putting on a turbo, different ECU, and different injectors, I thought I could count on the basics not having changed. That's what I get for assuming.

clownkiller
clownkiller New Reader
10/9/08 9:03 a.m.

"That's what I get for assuming."

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/9/08 9:09 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: Yeah - I've got no clue how the timing slipped in the time since it last ran. Nothing in that arena has even been touched. The only suspicion is that I first noticed that the cam gear had slipped. When I went to reset it to zero, I noticed that the bolts were loose. How they got loose just sitting there, I will never know, but I'm thinking that the loose bolts led to erratic movement in the timing belt while cranking, which led to it jumping teeth.

I'm thinking Hongfestation is at fault as well. That is easily controlled by the strategic placement of beer coolers outside the garage. Vampires have to have order and can't cross running water; Hongs cannot pass by a cold beer.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/10/08 7:38 a.m.

Well?

Does it live?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/10/08 10:15 a.m.
Jensenman wrote: Well? Does it live?

Not yet. The 17mm impact socket had decided to find a new home as of Wedneday night, so I couldn't make any more progress then. Thursday night was a party for a buddy who is shipping off to the marines, which is more important to me than any car. Tonight is a welding job for a different buddy. We'll see what happens after that. The motivation for the past couple of weeks was making the race this weekend, which as of Wednesday night was no longer possible, so I'm not in the rush I was.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/18/08 7:34 p.m.

IT"S ALIVE!!!

I finally got back to it today. I got the lower timing cover off and a E36 M3-ton of red clay came out with it. A damn dirt dobber built a nest inside the timing cover and as soon as I cranked, it fell and started clogging up the belt and lower timing gear. There were two adjacent teeth on the timing gear that were packed full of clay so hard that I had to pick it out with a screwdriver. So that's what caused my timing to jump - a stupid little insect. Outdoor long term storage FTL...

Anyway, once it was back together it fired right up! I spent the next several hours fixing stuff I had messed with in the diagnostic process, then cleaned all of the tools off of it, cranked it up, and took it for a spin.

Wow.

Good News: It makes boost

Bad News: While the wastegate may have been at 6 psi when I got it from Donalson, it's not any more.

Good News: It spools so damn fast that by the time I realized that it was going to exceed 6 psi, and got off the throttle, it hit 15 psi.

Good news: 15 psi didn't break anything. It was only at ~3500 RPM, so that's probably why.

Good News: It's fast as berkeley at 15 psi. Really. It made my WRX feel like a buick.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/18/08 8:39 p.m.

Glad it runs!

Damn mud dobbers. They get into EVERYTHING. I have pulled outdoor electrical covers and gotten a muddy surprise. At least that's not as bad as the Yugo timing cover full of mouse guts... :puke:

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
10/26/08 8:45 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhXN1rhpdMY

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