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Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
1/1/25 12:00 a.m.

Prior to buying the Foxbody Mustang and having a Miata for 4-5 years I've always ended up modifying lesser models / oddballs or racing less popular classes.

Even when I road raced bikes I ran a 125 GP bike.

While there is lots of love for Datsun 1200s here; by the time I started racing it in 1989 they were already becoming scarce.

I'm always talking about my love of single seat cars and while I first ran a Formula Vee, I next ran a D-Sports Racer and then the Formula 500. The two latter cars weren't exactly popular classes.

My brief ownership of a rally carin the late 90s; a Volvo 144 of course.

There just seems to be some chromosomal defect that makes me want down market cars and or oddballs.

EvanB
EvanB MegaDork
1/1/25 12:50 a.m.

I have been known to prefer oddballs, my favorite was a Peugeot 405mi16 that was a daily/pizza delivery car for a bit.

JoeyM
JoeyM Mod Squad
1/1/25 1:24 a.m.

Yup.  My drivetrain donor was an L24e from a Datsun station wagon

ddavidv
ddavidv UltimaDork
1/1/25 7:40 a.m.

I did Fiats for 20+ years, back when they were no longer a supported brand here. British sports cars were everywhere, but Fiats were looked down on by everyone, including the Alfa snobs. 

I also dabbled in Forgotten Ford Imports. Fiesta Mk1s, Capri Mk1s and kept my eyes constantly peeled for a Cortina.

I then went mainstream with a Honda CRX, but reverted to weirdness with an Audi GT.

Today, I have a 66 Falcon, the unloved child of 1960s Fords. I could have bought a Mustang and my parts sourcing life would have been light years better. But, here I am with my love of awkward, boxy cars that people confuse with Novas and Rambler Americans.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
1/1/25 9:16 a.m.

I've been lusting over Rambler wagons lately.

TurnerX19
TurnerX19 PowerDork
1/1/25 9:17 a.m.

Even in a common brand I have always favored the scarce. Common late 1950s Volvo sedan? Nope, I had a 445Duett, they sold only a few hundred per year world wide. Rootes group cars, what is the rarest, most fragile? You bet, I had Sunbeam Imps in the late 1970s when there were no parts stateside...I raced a Turner in a class of Sprites. Drove an Elva Courier as a daily for a few years. The cars I own today used to be really common in my neighborhood, but 35 year old anything is starting to be scarce as a daily, and my Volvo 245 is my new car.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf Dork
1/1/25 10:06 a.m.

In the 90s I raced a Fiat 850

Must of my motorcycles are Montgomery Wards models

Happy Gnu Ear

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
1/1/25 10:33 a.m.

I've autocrossed a KP61 Starlet and a 1980 Turbo Trans-Am

I've owned a 1967 Fiat 850 Spider and a 1984 Fiero Indy Pace Car.

I've had a 1967 Jeep Gladiator, a 1979 IHC Scout and a 1958 Pontiac Pathfinder for a daily driver.

I ride Moto Guzzis.

I own a 1919 Model T

I guess I like weird stuff (by some people's standards).

I have never owned an ACVW (thank goodness).

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
1/1/25 10:52 a.m.

I think the most mainstream project car I've had was the '72 Chevy C10. There was also a slightly modified '95 Honda Civic.

Trying to get the most power I can out of a slant six in my Dart instead of the usual V8 swap probably counts as very oddball.

I can be all over the map. Sometimes I want to go with the mainstream easy button. Sometimes I apparently want to see if I can reverse the easy button's polarity and make it a difficult button.

Motojunky
Motojunky Reader
1/1/25 11:35 a.m.

"Do You Gravitate Towards Lesser Models and or Oddballs?"

My wife read this over my shoulder and remarked "obviously!" :-/ 

I have always been drawn to the oddball stuff. Sometimes I was just early and they became desirable later and other times, it's just weird stuff. 

CyberEric
CyberEric SuperDork
1/1/25 12:16 p.m.

Yes. That's why I'm here. The Chevy Sprint for sale in the classifieds has me feeling excited more than any "common" sports car.
 

And I notice I'm also drawn to anything over 20 years old even it was not oddball then, like a 3800 buick or a first gen RAV4. 
 

Id argue that Miatas are even an oddball, or were anyway. Guys used to make fun of them.
 

It's sort of a problem I have because there's this part of me that wishes I could just be happy with a late model Camry or something.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
1/1/25 12:43 p.m.

No, I'm interested in cars that are interesting to me. Doesn't matter if they're rare or not. The number of them in existence isn't what's important, what's important is the one in my garage. 

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
1/1/25 1:25 p.m.

In reply to CyberEric :

I still make fun of Miatas. Doesn't mean I don't think they're a great car.

I'll always make fun of Mustangs. 

I'd be more excited to see this in the wild:

Than this:

Trent
Trent UltimaDork
1/1/25 2:23 p.m.

The cars that interest me are........ interesting to say the least.



 

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue SuperDork
1/1/25 2:35 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

There just seems to be some chromosomal defect that makes me want down market cars and or oddballs.

This, exactly this. There is something in my personality that makes me not want the things that other people want. I think it can be summed up in one sentence: "Success is for other people."

There is definitely some learned and/or genetically inherited thrift at play. My grandfather was so cheap, he drove a Henry J, then a DKW. My dad and his siblings grew up poor.  Dad then took a job in the trades right out of high school and made money faster than he could spend it.  He treated himself to a new car every year or so in his youth and generally enjoyed life.

By the time us kids came along, he was back to semi-cheapskate mode. My bike and clothes and toys always seemed to be a notch or two below whatever my friends had. While hardly child abuse, it probably played a role in teaching me that I do not need nice things - or, more accurately, that nice things are not for me.  I learned to find value in the unloved and the second-tier.

I did not have the opportunity to buy myself new stuff.  I bought one decent MGB as my first car and wrecked it after a year, then proceeded downmarket with a series of increasingly crusty Corollas, until I bought my MR2. For $400. Twenty-one years ago. And I haven't afforded myself decent garage space since, haven't been able to prioritize investing in cars or fun or fun cars. This, as you can see, is a series of failures culminating in a near lifetime of failure.

So there is a fairly crippling lack of confidence at play.  I am unburdened by excessive self-esteem and consequently have never felt like I deserved a nice car, let alone a new car. Those are for people who've done something with their lives and feel justified in congratulating themselves. Or, worse yet, people who need to make an impression of success (e.g. salespeople, orthodontists, lawyers) - the kind of people who I fear may take my money, and are thus both repulsive and dangerous. These are not people I want to emulate. So I move downmarket, to the leftovers and the orphans and the misfit toys.  If I fall, I won't fall as far.

Normal people try to move upmarket at any opportunity. Normal people want big houses, new cars, everything shiny and expensive. Those are so far out of reach for me that I can't imagine them. I can't even talk myself into a new pair of shoes. Hell, these thrift store Eccos still have most of the tread on their soles, and I've only been wearing them for two years.  Maybe I can find another pair just like them.

I was going to end with the declaration that I am defective.  And I am, to be sure.  But I guess there is also some kind of lukewarm reward in getting by with the stuff that nobody else wants.

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
1/1/25 2:58 p.m.
ShawnG said:

I'll always make fun of Mustangs. 

I had chance to drive a new Mustang in 1984. A friend's cousin worked for the local Ford dealer and we were recruiting to drive the cars from the convention center to the dealer. 

I found the car great fun but I never wanted because the owners were not a crowd I wanted to be associated with.

Flash forward 40 years and I now have one............I'm still wrestling with these two realities. 

Thankfully I have the Datsun 1200 along with the RD125 in the garage to balance things out.

 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
1/1/25 3:07 p.m.
DarkMonohue said:

I was going to end with the declaration that I am defective.  And I am, to be sure.  But I guess there is also some kind of lukewarm reward in getting by with the stuff that nobody else wants.

Lukewarm reward?

I revel in up cycling stuff. Yesterday I used a heel spoon wrapped with paper towels as a tool to clean out the axle tube on the 1200.

Part of my love for the lesser models is born out of my innate cheapness.

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
1/1/25 3:44 p.m.

Yes.

I can drive anything I want, and I drive a Chevy Spark.

I drove Hyundais when it definitely was not cool, I had a Skoda, and would have had more if VW didn't screw that up. I drove Fireflies, Swifts and Metros for 20 years, and would still be driving one today if there were any left.

And I'm the same when it comes to bikes. I won a cross country series this year on a bike I'm routinely told cannot be raced, and often asked why don't you just buy a better bike.  Wait till they see what I'm bringing to the track next season.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
1/1/25 4:18 p.m.

In reply to Tom1200 :

You don't seem like a middle-aged hairdresser to me cheeky

I owned a series of 2nd gen F-body cars. I'm familiar with the owners you speak of. As someone said in another thread, guys swear those cars are God's own chariot.

They're both fun cars but they also have more than their fair share of shortcomings.

If I were shopping purely by numbers, it's very hard to beat a new Corvette in performance per dollar. I've driven lots of Corvettes, they're lots of fun, I like them but don't love them. I understand why lots of other people like them, they're like owning the worlds nicest sledgehammer.

I think I've had more fun driving goofy cars. I've pushed an Isetta as hard as it would go and I'm sure I looked like a gorilla in a phonebooth.

Again, I think the little AH Sprite that I drove right to the limits was probably the most fun I've had in a car.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
1/1/25 4:48 p.m.

Trophied at the state championship with this (weather was terrible, left the Miata home, got lucky). 

 

Drove this for 14 years and built a series of engines, long before they were cool.

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
1/1/25 5:04 p.m.
ShawnG said:

Again, I think the little AH Sprite that I drove right to the limits was probably the most fun I've had in a car.

Last ride of the season this year I took a KTM 85 big wheel with 105 big bore to the track. I got some funny looks and a few comments, but there were some fast guys there and none of them could catch me. Granted, conditions were ideal, and I was as on my game as I've ever been, but I've never ridden a bike to it's limit like that, and never had that much fun on anything. I know for sure I was having more fun than anybody else at the track that day.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
1/1/25 5:06 p.m.

Where I work, I regularly see a Chevy SS and an Evo IX.

 

Oddly my Volvo is rarer than both.

 

My Quantum is even rarer than that - 3800 produced over four years - and somehow it's my SECOND one.

 

Unicorns gravitate towards me.  Like this time at Microcenter a few years ago.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
1/1/25 5:12 p.m.

I think I've told this story before.

I have a client who could own pretty much any car he wants, he has a couple Porsches, one is some flavour of Carrera with AWD. He barely drives them. Most of his time is spent in his 'teens era Fords, Buicks and 30s Lincolns.

He has way more fun driving the wheels off of those things than his fast cars. He drive the early Fords at 10/10 most of the time. It's like being on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride when you're out with him.

Where he lives, nobody notices you in a Porsche but everyone notices a red and brass model T Ford.

I guarantee he's having way more fun than another fellow I know who has a showroom filled with pre-war Packards, Lincolns, Duesenbergs and Mercedes. They're all sitmobiles that never turn a wheel.

buzzboy
buzzboy UltraDork
1/1/25 5:15 p.m.

My first car was one of 23 million. Not super unique. Then I fell off the bandwagon for a while and drove lower production stuff. Now I have a Cherokee(2.8 million) and a Gladiator(345,000 so far) which are back in line of "very common." I love old and obscure stuff but I like daily driving a car that has good parts availability. My racecar is 1 of 28,000 from a two year production run and I think that's pretty neat.

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