Fritz flops for sake of feasability, GM RWD gets dumped.

zipty842 wrote:

"Take a look at the new Chevrolet Equinox and the GMC Terrain, for example," Henderson wrote.

I did, they are the same.

Equinox:

Terrain:

Even a blind man can tell these two are identical brand engineered BS.

P71 wrote: The only firm thing I can find right now is that Holden pulls in a Billion $ US from the G8: "It was recently reported that the death of the Pontiac brand could cost Australia's Holden as much as $1 billion a year due to lost G8 sales, but the Aussies may have a backup plan in the form of Commodore/G8 police cars."

If it made money or thought they could make lots of money from the G8 in the future, they'd still sell it.

Gas is $3.30-$3.50 a gallon in Fairfield county CT already($2.70 where i am ).. Even if it(G8) was making money now, I think they're hedging their bets that it will not once gas goes up even more this summer.

P71 wrote: According to AutoBlog, Jalopnik, and Autoline it was making a profit. I'll try to dig up some figures for you. It was *definitely* making a profit for Holden, and they are *furious* about losing the NA market for that platform, hence all of the G8/Caprice cop car talks.

I never heard that it was profitable, and it's had big rebates from the word go. Keep in mind that it not only has to be profitable, but profitable enough to justify keeping it around as a unique model with the marketing support, dealership space, and everything else that goes into keeping a car model viable.

Another thing to keep in mind is how much CAFE is going up. That means for every G8 they sell, they have to sell a Cobalt or something to offset it's mileage.

Then sell me a turbo direct injection diesel, that get's 35+ on the highway, and 25+ city, then let me up the boost till the torque goes berzerk!!!!

wherethefmi wrote: Then sell me a turbo direct injection diesel, that get's 35+ on the highway, and 25+ city, then let me up the boost till the torque goes berzerk!!!!

That would be zeeeeee awezomz..

I know I thought it up all on my lonesome

Edit: This post makes me an official dork, hey can I get a nifty custom dork tag, like Military Dork, or Grunt Dork?!? Pretty Please with sugar on top!!!

P71 wrote:

zipty842 wrote:

"Take a look at the new Chevrolet Equinox and the GMC Terrain, for example," Henderson wrote.

I did, they are the same.

Equinox: Terrain: Even a blind man can tell these two are identical brand engineered BS.

Totally different! See the bar across the Chevy grill, and the yellow turn signals?

The GMC has chrome vs body colored door handles, and Chevy spent their "chrome look" budget on the wheels.

Ha ha ha he heh ha whew, that was funnnn-ny!

davidjs wrote:

P71 wrote:

zipty842 wrote:

"Take a look at the new Chevrolet Equinox and the GMC Terrain, for example," Henderson wrote.

I did, they are the same.

Equinox: Terrain: Even a blind man can tell these two are identical brand engineered BS.

Totally different! See the bar across the Chevy grill, and the yellow turn signals? The GMC has chrome vs body colored door handles, and Chevy spent their "chrome look" budget on the wheels.

I'll assume they share the same platform, but I could not see one part on those exterior shots that is the same. That is 10's of millions of dollars in tooling to dress the same thing differently. The question remains, what is the point of GMC?

Umm guys, the GMC in that picture is from Dubai!

I know why GMC is still around. Because trucks still have huge profit margins. So chevy will still sell trucks and GMC will still be around selling trucks. They slap a couple different pieces on the front and people think they are buying something that they neighbor doesnt have. They should give us a Chevy version of the CTS and have all the expensive luxury crap ripped out. That would be the first GM car I'd consider buying if it cost mid 20s (other than the corvette, but I cant afford that).

RossD wrote: They should give us a Chevy version of the CTS and have all the expensive luxury crap ripped out. That would be the first GM car I'd consider buying if it cost mid 20s (other than the corvette, but I cant afford that).

+tons...Cheby killed off the last 2 Detroit made vehicles I was interested in...Cobalt SS sedan and G8...its sad really. I wouldnt take a current vette even if I could afford it, too impractical for a family. I guess used car lots will be where I find my next chevy (if ever, and I used to be a bowtie fanboi too)

Now I don't feel to bad about being anti GM. Just as I was warming up to them

wherethefmi wrote: hence why I won't be purchasing a GM product any time soon. I'm voting with my wallet.

I thought I was doing that to but your president decided I needed to give them some of my money anyway.

skruffy wrote:

wherethefmi wrote: hence why I won't be purchasing a GM product any time soon. I'm voting with my wallet.

I thought I was doing that to but your president decided I needed to give them some of my money anyway.

My president? He's your president too wether you voted for him or not.

And your money stopped being yours on April 15th.

Well cause I earn below the poverty line, you guys pay my salary, and I get all my tax money back

Edirt: I have no idea how this applies to the conversation at hand

I like this game!

If they turn the Commodore into a US police car, I want it to be called the V8 Interceptor.

GMC exists because the GMC guys would rather eat dirt than buy a Chevy. Weird, but you can't argue with the sales numbers. I find GMCs to look nicer than a comparative Chevy.

Thanks Fritz..................different day, same old GM. Maybe the only car I might consider from GM and you cut it.

As stated in a previous post, this is coming from the masters of re-badging. Just about every car GM produced was spread out through every division so each one could have a version. Can they actually get anybody that knows what they are doing over there? Roger Penske should forget just Saturn and buy GM.

I have no issues with a GMC brand, but under this restructure make ALL trucks and standard SUVs GMC and CUV/pcSUVs Chevys.

Make Cadillacs Executive high option cars.(think hillbilly Maybach) Heck get back to the 62 Series names!

Make Buicks mid to high option family cars (think Acura)

Make Chevrolet low to mid option family cars (think Toyota) with a Sporting line and a Muni Service line

Make GMC the truck line.

Keep the 5.3L alloy and 6.6L for trucks, Corvette, Camaro, Impala, CTS

Keep the 2.0T and 2.4L Ecotec for small SUV, small and mid sedan programs and add a 1.4-1.6L vesion of the engine based on the same block (single casting). Develop a same architecture FSI Turbo Diesel

Keep the 3.6L/3.9L V6 around until an appropriate light alloy 3.0NA/3.0FSITD/3.0T single platform engine can be built.

John Brown wrote: Keep the 2.0T and 2.4L Ecotec for small SUV, small and mid sedan programs and add a 1.4-1.6L vesion of the engine based on the same block (single casting). Develop a same architecture FSI Turbo Diesel

Yeah, 'cause GM is great at making diesels out of gasoline engines.

ah yes.. GM, the company that made americans hate diesels