Lol op has already posted a few weeks ago in the Land Rover thread.
Lol op has already posted a few weeks ago in the Land Rover thread.
Keep in mind that a Forester XT optioned out with a MT is a unicorn and will come at a significant price premium.
Toyota Tax and Subaru Tax is real. If buying a Subaru, try to get it in spring or summer. Prices are cheaper then.
I would test drive the vehicles you're considering if you haven't already. The XT does have those features you want, but finding one in our area that's worth the asking price is going to be tough. My sister had an '04 XT she bought new and it had a huge amount of body roll, road noise, crap stereo, etc. Still economy car inside. If it were me I'd have to do several things to the XT in order to be happy with it.
The luxury SUVs are going to be much quieter, comfortable, nice places to spend time. Plus since they are an SUV I would just leave them alone and drive them as is.
There's a few FXT's around our area with manual transmission - the problem is rust. I think you'd have to go south to around Nashville to get anything rust free.
In reply to clutchsmoke :
Yes, I know its a Range Rover but I wouldn't expect most of the LR range to be much different.
I couldn't stop laughing. Poor CarMax.
Doug DeMuro's Range Rover cost the extended warranty company more than it is worth
I have a Land Cruiser, so I am biased (even though mine has the tractor-esque 3FE).
ddavidv said:Yes, I know its a Range Rover but I wouldn't expect most of the LR range to be much different.
I couldn't stop laughing. Poor CarMax.
Doug DeMuro's Range Rover cost the extended warranty company more than it is worth
very funny thanks
In reply to smokindav :
Yeah... My point exactly. The SUVs in question don't seem to suffer from rust issues as much and would be much less hassle to acquire.
what of a 1st gen X3 or X5. I think the X5 could even be had with a manual. While marketed as a "sport activity vehicle" that was more biased towards the road than the dirt, they are pretty capable vehicles
mad_machine said:what of a 1st gen X3 or X5. I think the X5 could even be had with a manual. While marketed as a "sport activity vehicle" that was more biased towards the road than the dirt, they are pretty capable vehicles
X5's are horrible with the little bits and baubles and window regulators and electric door locks and door handle actuators. The do drive nice though and that V8 is great when it's not leaking oil from the valve covers. And there's that whole $1000 water cooled alternator abortion. I've gone on a few epics rants about these over on corner-carvers. Avoid.
Just to be clear: does the apocryphal hate for Discoverys extend to the LR3s circa 2005-2009?
Land Cruiser (or Lexus equivalent) all day, year, decade, etc. The only downside is the high buy-in, just like most Toyota 4x4s. I honestly can't think of anything as reliable and capable as one. You know that Rick Astley song? I'm pretty sure he wrote it for the Land Cruiser.
Lexus LX470 never had the option for a locking rear diff if that's important to you. The 100-series Land Cruisers only did for 98-99. It was replaced by their fancy traction control, which videos and internet anecdotes have me believe is quite capable regardless.
thatsnowinnebago said:Land Cruiser (or Lexus equivalent) all day, year, decade, etc. The only downside is the high buy-in, just like most Toyota 4x4s. I honestly can't think of anything as reliable and capable as one. You know that Rick Astley song? I'm pretty sure he wrote it for the Land Cruiser.
Lexus LX470 never had the option for a locking rear diff if that's important to you. The 100-series Land Cruisers only did for 98-99. It was replaced by their fancy traction control, which videos and internet anecdotes have me believe is quite capable regardless.
Our 4Runner and now our Sequoia both have ATRAC.....it is no joke - quite capable and very responsive one you figure out the way to use it is to just stomp the pedal down, basically. Not that I do serious wheeling, but OP didn't say he is either.
And I'll still say Sequoia (yes, i'm beating a dead horse but have nothing better to do) Very nearly as "luxurious" as the LC or Lexus (if a bit more dated interior), more interior space than a LC, great ride quality, heated seats, electric stuff, DVD, etc etc....and the ability to mostly buy way less expensive Tundra suspension and drivetrain stuff, just as bulletproof quality......and like half the price of a comparable-year, comparable-mileage/condition LC. It's the one Toyota 4x4 that doesn't get the "toyota 4x4 tax" since apparently it is either forgotten or seen as a soccer-mom vehicle. Still V8, Still same 4wd, solid rear axle, etc.....
Ok, so not quite as "cool" as a LC or a LR or 4Runner, but I guess it depends if you're buying for image or for functionality..
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