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alfadriver
alfadriver SuperDork
11/29/11 3:03 p.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."

Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
11/29/11 3:24 p.m.
alfadriver wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."
Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?

You give Bob way too much credit. 20 minutes? Really?

I think my discussion would last about 2 seconds. The best 2 seconds of my life.

NOHOME
NOHOME PowerDork
11/29/11 3:34 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
alfadriver wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."
Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?
You give Bob way too much credit. 20 minutes? Really? I think my discussion would last about 2 seconds. The best 2 seconds of my life.

Actually, I have to admit I also have no idea of this Alba chicks credentials. Figured I had better check into that for y'all.

Keep in mind that I am of an age where ALL naked chicks at the door receive some form of appreciation.

alfadriver
alfadriver SuperDork
11/29/11 6:26 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
alfadriver wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."
Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?
You give Bob way too much credit. 20 minutes? Really? I think my discussion would last about 2 seconds. The best 2 seconds of my life.

You DO realize that you don't have to call your wife when the door bell is rung. When she asks- "it's a survey that's pretty interesting" reply- "what's it about", you then reply- "about a sports car- some Toyota vs. Subaru thing. Could take a while. A LONG while."

Bobzilla
Bobzilla SuperDork
11/30/11 7:28 a.m.
alfadriver wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
alfadriver wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."
Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?
You give Bob way too much credit. 20 minutes? Really? I think my discussion would last about 2 seconds. The best 2 seconds of my life.
You DO realize that you don't have to call your wife when the door bell is rung. When she asks- "it's a survey that's pretty interesting" reply- "what's it about", you then reply- "about a sports car- some Toyota vs. Subaru thing. Could take a while. A LONG while."

..to which the wife says "we already have 4 cars, don't even THINK about it....."

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
11/30/11 11:08 a.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
alfadriver wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
alfadriver wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
NOHOME wrote: "...Some of you would find something to complain about if Jessica Alba showed up naked at your front door..."
I would. My wife would be pissed and my kids would be all confused. Plus, I am not sure who that is or what she looks like, so I'd probably just guess she had the wrong house or something.
No kids... but the wife would be super pissed. "I swear honey, she got the wrong address. No, I did not enjoy looking at her at all. It was very yucky."
Then why did you spend 20 min with her to discuss how wrong it was?
You give Bob way too much credit. 20 minutes? Really? I think my discussion would last about 2 seconds. The best 2 seconds of my life.
You DO realize that you don't have to call your wife when the door bell is rung. When she asks- "it's a survey that's pretty interesting" reply- "what's it about", you then reply- "about a sports car- some Toyota vs. Subaru thing. Could take a while. A LONG while."
..to which the wife says "we already have 4 cars, don't even THINK about it....."

That's really too bad. I have 8 cars and my wife would never think of telling me that. I have a good wife.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
11/30/11 4:54 p.m.

Some chops of the BRZ from another forum.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
11/30/11 4:57 p.m.

I just realized something... the BRZ doesn't have a gaping mouth, it has a tightly shut one with a goatee. That black part at the top of the grill is the lower lip.

mr2peak
mr2peak Reader
11/30/11 6:07 p.m.

Older Subaru motors bolting isn't going to help California owners at all, can't legally put an older engine in a newer chassis.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
11/30/11 6:23 p.m.
mr2peak wrote: Older Subaru motors bolting isn't going to help California owners at all, can't legally put an older engine in a newer chassis.

They don't. Engine is basically an all-new design with it's mounts and bolt patterns.

RexSeven
RexSeven SuperDork
11/30/11 11:45 p.m.

This is it: The official unveiling of the Scion FR-S, the final part of the DSM Triplets 2, Electric Boogaloo. And it looks... exactly the same as the Toyota version, except for the badges and the mercifully restyled taillights.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
12/1/11 6:30 a.m.

I just realized that as much as I think I'll like these cars, at my age they look hard to get in and out of, just like my current CRX. For a toy I can deal with that, but this would be a DD for me, and that I can't deal with. And that sucks.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
12/1/11 7:22 a.m.

I hate to admit it, but that steering wheel with it's utter lack of audio buttons, bluemouth, or a text keyboard is really attractive!

scardeal
scardeal HalfDork
12/1/11 7:36 a.m.
Javelin wrote:
mr2peak wrote: Older Subaru motors bolting isn't going to help California owners at all, can't legally put an older engine in a newer chassis.
They don't. Engine is basically an all-new design with it's mounts and bolt patterns.

Yes, it is an all new design, but I did read that they specifically kept the bolt patterns the same for engine swappage.

z31maniac
z31maniac SuperDork
12/1/11 7:50 a.m.

Want!

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku Dork
12/1/11 9:05 a.m.

That shifter looks like a manual, but I see flappy-paddles. I'll assume a true 3-pedal version will be available. Overall I like the dash, no touch screens or excessively huge displays.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
12/1/11 10:23 a.m.

I don't know why it jumped out at me, but the stereo in the Scion looks terrible. Like a Sony Xplod deck actually did.

mad_machine
mad_machine SuperDork
12/1/11 10:42 a.m.
Gearheadotaku wrote: That shifter looks like a manual, but I see flappy-paddles. I'll assume a true 3-pedal version will be available. Overall I like the dash, no touch screens or excessively huge displays.

That is some sort of auto.. all I can make out is a dead pedal and the gas. Must have a single brake pedal hidden behind that wheel.

I do agree.. who would have thought.. a steering wheel that just steers the car? just who are they marketing this car to?

ValuePack
ValuePack Dork
12/1/11 1:27 p.m.

I always have fun picking up on the "parts bin" pieces from these interior shots. The Scion shots above show the same crap clock from the Bugeye Impreza that dies after 3-4yrs. Hint, for all future BRZ-FRS owners: pull the backing off the clock, resolder the little square jobbers on the board. Works like a charm.

nocones
nocones HalfDork
12/1/11 1:31 p.m.

I think that's toyotas clock. It looks the same as the one in my mr2 spyder that still works 11 years old.

ahutson03
ahutson03 Reader
12/1/11 1:42 p.m.

Funny about the clock my ae86's clock has been burning bright and keeping time since 1987 I guess they don't make em like they used to...

fast_eddie_72
fast_eddie_72 SuperDork
12/1/11 1:55 p.m.

My '84 Celica has an ANALOG clock! It even ticks.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
12/1/11 2:28 p.m.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: My '84 Celica has an ANALOG clock! It even ticks.

That's not the clock, it's the head.

You can fix it with a new timing kit that has a stainless steel chain-guide to replace the factory plastic one.

mr2peak
mr2peak Reader
12/1/11 3:21 p.m.

The press release: please read it, clears a lot up.

MORE PASSION, MORE FUN: TOYOTA RECAPTURES THE JOY OF DRIVING World debut for Toyota GT 86 sports car at the Tokyo motor show

KEY POINTS

  • Entirely driver-focused sports car, designed to recapture the fundamental joys of motoring
  • World's most compact four-seater sports car, delivering very low centre of gravity and excellent power-to-weight ratio
  • A return to Toyota's sporting roots, with a front-mounted engine and rear-wheel drive package
  • Powertrain combines 197bhp 2.0-litre flat-four boxer engine with torque-enhancing D-4S injection technology
  • Design achieves outstanding aerodynamics while recalling Toyota's sports car heritage
  • New car to be called the GT 86 in Europe, in tribute to Toyota's GT car heritage
  • On sale in the UK in June 2012

The anticipation is over: Toyota's new GT 86 sports car makes its world debut at the Tokyo motor show on November 30. The compact 2+2 model, one of the most keenly awaited new cars of the coming year, will go on sale in the UK in June 2012.

The GT 86 has been conceived as an entirely driver-focused machine, designed to deliver the core qualities of the classic sports car experience. That means precise, instant response to the smallest throttle and steering inputs and the kind of performance that appeals to those for whom driving is a passion, not a necessity.

The GT 86 is built on a new platform, with a highly aerodynamic bodyshell stretched tight over the car's mechanical elements. Rather than fitting a heavy, large capacity powertrain, Toyota has opted instead to go back to its sporting roots, installing a compact, front-mounted, free-revving petrol engine that drives the rear wheels.

This four-cylinder "boxer" unit generates 197bhp at 7,000rpm and maximum torque of 205Nm at 6,600rpm, giving the GT 86 brisk, engaging performance.

The powertrain is matched to the world's most compact four-seat design to create a car that benefits from light weight, low inertia and a low centre of gravity to achieve the best possible power-to-weight ratio. For the driver that means lively, accessible performance and dynamic character with minimal intrusion from electronic systems.

Packaging

The GT 86 measures 4,240mm long, 1,285mm high and 2,570mm wide, dimensions which make it the most compact four-seater sports car available today.

Both the powertrain and the driving position have been set as low and as far back as possible to achieve the best balance: the car has a near-perfect 53:47 front-to-rear weight distribution. The flat-four engine format and the driver's hip point – the lowest of any current Toyota production model – together give the GT 86 an ultra-low centre of gravity, at just 475mm.

The GT 86 makes the most of a light kerb weight, making it easy for drivers to exploit its nimble handling and cornering poise. The suspension features MacPherson struts at the front and double wishbones at the rear. The car rides on 17-inch wheels and is fitted with ventilated disc brakes fore and aft.

World's first horizontally opposed engine with D-4S

The GT 86's engine is the result of a joint Toyota and Subaru development programme that brings together their technical know-how and mutual passion for sports cars.

Toyota has added its D-4S injection technology to Subaru's new, horizontally opposed, naturally aspirated 1,998cc four-cylinder boxer engine. This system features separate twin injectors for both direct and port injection, and a high 12.5:1 compression ratio, increasing power and torque across a wide range of engine speeds without sacrificing fuel efficiency and environmental performance.

The flat-four engine has equal bore and stroke of 86.0mm and drives through either a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick, precise shifts using a tactile, short-throw lever; the automatic transmission can be controlled using paddle shifts mounted on the steering wheel.

Power is distributed to the rear wheels via a limited slip differential to give the best possible grip in all driving conditions. The ABS and switchable vehicle stability control systems have been tuned specifically to deliver dynamic stability at the limit of the car's performance envelope with minimal electronic intervention to help preserve the purity of the driving experience.

Design

The design of the GT 86 successfully works within the technical constraints of achieving the most compact dimensions possible, a low centre of gravity and aerodynamic performance inspired by motorsport technology, while also displaying evocative, sweeping styling that recalls Toyota's sports car heritage.

Toyota's new design language informs the styling, as in the way attention is focused on the lower part of the car with the large lower grille. Elsewhere the "keen" approach can be witnessed in the clear, expressive lines.

The lower grille's "scorpion" look gives the GT 86 a more powerful appearance, with further sporting details including the model-specific 17-inch alloy wheels, rear spoiler, twin exhausts and the "86" piston logo that denotes the car's special powertrain configuration.

On board, the ergonomics and function of every element the driver interacts with have been scrutinised to make driving the car as natural, instinctive and rewarding as possible. For example, the steering wheel has a 365mm diameter, making it the smallest ever fitted to a Toyota, and it is trimmed in buckskin, developed from exhaustive feedback from test drivers on how to achieve the best steering performance and grip.

The three-meter instrument cluster is arranged around a large tachometer, its design benefiting from close attention to the positioning of the displays, markings and typeface. The result is the best possible visibility and readability. The driver-focus of the cockpit is further reinforced by the carbon-effect trim, all-black roof lining, red stitching on the upholstery, aviation-style rocker switches and lightweight, aluminium pedals.

sachilles
sachilles Dork
12/1/11 3:39 p.m.
nocones wrote: I think that's toyotas clock. It looks the same as the one in my mr2 spyder that still works 11 years old.

I agree. I think valuepack is mistaken. Which is understandable.....since 80% of the wrx clocks out there don't seem to work, I can see why one might forget what the look like.

:raiseshand:

I already soldered the stupid thing once.

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