In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
In the recent years since stock classes have gone to 200tw, the tire wars have been in full swing and the gap between the 200tw tires and Hoosiers is closer than ever. I'm not saying they're equal, but times have certainly changed.
In reply to Ovid_and_Flem :
Exactly. If everyone is just racing for a $20 plaque, they're missing the point.
In reply to n8 :
Case in point. Although it raised controversy that I did not mean to create, in 2016 I lent my new Nitto nt05 200 treadwear tires to a fellow competitor for the autocross. He was on worn out old Hoosiers. Just that set of tires moved him from something like 15 to 3rd in the autocross.
And inittos are probably the slowest 200 TW tires out there
is there TLDR, or a consensus yet?
bobzilla said:is there TLDR, or a consensus yet?
I think we are trending strongly towards a tire class, an american muscle class, or both. Many want a place where 'lower prep' cars can play - and traditionally that has been the special class (though not all special class cars are lower prep by any stretch). Something easy to describe is a must. Something that appeals to the magazine's readership would be excellent.
But the only way we are going to get a consensus is when people start making real plans to bring something that fits. I will absolutely join a tire class. Less likely that i will bring an AM car.
In reply to Ovid_and_Flem :
He was on Hoosier drag tires which is a lot different and that incident lead to the Stampie Rule.
I am bringing a youth team next year.
I will commit to anything that fits that. Tire class, Street Legal, Lower Budget, etc.
I cant commit to AM.
Does a Studebaker Lark fall into CAM? Asking for a friend. 
In reply to TheV8Kid :
Your friend’s does.
In reply to Robbie :
i will be bringing something that is "AM-ish", but not like the hand-built furniture and barn-raising Amish. that's totally different.
now i'm thinking my team will dress in drag and be Trans-AM.
In reply to SVreX :
Cool. I vote for CAM then.
I am thinking of bringing a CAM legal vehicle, probably reusing the S10 I built for the pickup class.
Believe it or not this would be the first time I reuse a challenge vehicle out of the 10 or so I have built.
AngryCorvair said:now i'm thinking my team will dress in drag and be Trans-AM.
Damn! You just gave away your surprise show at the Concours!
CAM for the special class.
Tire thing a separate issue.
Gastropods something I'm actively pursuing that should include a bunch of people.
That sound cool to enough people?
I thought someone mentioned Pirate float. Or maybe it was No pirate floats.
Ovid_and_Flem said:In reply to n8 :
Case in point. Although it raised controversy that I did not mean to create, in 2016 I lent my new Nitto nt05 200 treadwear tires to a fellow competitor for the autocross. He was on worn out old Hoosiers. Just that set of tires moved him from something like 15 to 3rd in the autocross.
And inittos are probably the slowest 200 TW tires out there
He was on big drag tires and those don't turn well at all. We won the autocross and finished 4th overall that year with the Justang. That car finished 3rd overall. We did the math...
in reply to spin_out:
I reckon that waring an eye patch would be detrimental to your autocross time
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
As far as the gastropods I really do think a flat money limit would be an encouragement. That way if somebody wants to lightly prep a budget grocery getter the cap on cost would be an impetus to join in the fun. Plus they would have a car that could be used for something not totally dedicated to the event. All of the exempt items I spent on my entry in 2016 added close to $1,600 to my actual build cost side when I completely rebuilt the brake system and a new set of autocross tires. And I ended up with a car that was not marketable after the event.
In reply to n8 :
Yeah I did not know those guy when they ask to use my tires. Being a newcomer I was just trying to help out a fellow competitor and didn't realize the rules were being bent.
Congrats on this year's results. You deserved it
In reply to Ovid_and_Flem :
I don't blame you at all for just trying to help. The budget side of that really wasn't on you to worry about. We didn't make a big deal out of it as we also like those guys and didn't want to be dicks. We learned from it and moved on.
Thank you. We certainly tried.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
I like this but would still like to see a 300tw class. Overall, CAM and Gastropod can run current open tire spec. Gastropod based on their sourcing ability, overall and CAM based on the current 1 free set of tire rule. What a 300tw class adds is a target for people that already have builds going that are not AM, mid-pack for overall and they've done some recoup, kicking them out of the gastropod class.
I like CAM, but how about WAR?
It's team-based, up to an entire half of the field gets an award, and could result in some cool liveries.
CAM vs CAxM
edit: Okay on second thought, go easy on the Axis liveries...
maschinenbau said:I like CAM, but how about WAR?
- Add up the scores/finishing places of all CAM cars
- Add up the scores/finishing places of all classic Japanese and German cars (Classic Axis Muscle?)
It's team-based, up to an entire half of the field gets an award, and could result in some cool liveries.
CAM vs CAxM
edit: Okay on second thought, go easy on the Axis liveries...
This sounds like fun!
In reply to maschinenbau :
Are you making all the trophies?
That would be the toughest part as you'd have no clue how many to make, etc.
maschinenbau said:I like CAM, but how about WAR?
- Add up the scores/finishing places of all CAM cars
- Add up the scores/finishing places of all classic Japanese and German cars (Classic Axis Muscle?)
It's team-based, up to an entire half of the field gets an award, and could result in some cool liveries.
CAM vs CAxM
edit: Okay on second thought, go easy on the Axis liveries...
The Nelson clan will likely end the event with a pair of atomic bombs
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