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4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
5/16/14 12:40 p.m.

93-97 'Rolla (AE101)

Parts grow on trees, more reliable than gravity, not much difference between a Rolla and a Civic aside from aftermarket support. Because theyre not Civics, theres no rice tax. Crafty parts binning can do fun things with other 'yota A engine parts. Simple things like timing advances and stiff bushings and mounts will go far. Best shifter feel Ive ever experienced. Could rotate well, easy to lighten, bulletproof suspension. The one I owned never once even whimpered when I beat up on it, always started, always went. The fuel lines and ancillaries in the model I owned suffered terminal cancer, hence our separation, but she was still running and driving well when we parted ways. Great car, would buy again

Powar
Powar SuperDork
5/16/14 1:58 p.m.

My favorite is actually the '79-'93 Saab 900, but I'm guessing that you aren't a fan of those given your BMW rant on the previous page. I'm also a big fan of the '90-'94 Protege. I've had two. This is what I drove to work today:

shelbyz
shelbyz New Reader
5/16/14 1:59 p.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: 93-97 'Rolla (AE101) Parts grow on trees, more reliable than gravity, not much difference between a Rolla and a Civic aside from aftermarket support. Because theyre not Civics, theres no rice tax. Crafty parts binning can do fun things with other 'yota A engine parts. Simple things like timing advances and stiff bushings and mounts will go far. Best shifter feel Ive ever experienced. Could rotate well, easy to lighten, bulletproof suspension. The one I owned never once even whimpered when I beat up on it, always started, always went. The fuel lines and ancillaries in the model I owned suffered terminal cancer, hence our separation, but she was still running and driving well when we parted ways. Great car, would buy again

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Don't forget that the 93-97 Geo Prizm is the same exact car, and usually comes even cheaper than the Corolla.

I dailied one for a few years, before selling it to a buddy who had it for a few more years. In the 7+ years combined that we had the car, I think it took barely over a grand to keep it on the road. That includes a set of tires...

When I had the car, it was kept stock and returned dead on 30MPG's putzing around town, while netting over 40 on cross state road trips. I was able to get four adult males of varied size into it comfortably on many occasions, and the trunk was rather roomy.

When I sold it to my buddy, that's when the real test began. The car was given a few eBay goodies meant for a Corolla (header, catback, intake, sleeved coilovers, etc.) that were an obvious direct fit, got a little weight reduction and the afore mentioned timing advance, and the car took an absolute thrashing. I'm talking repeated daily trips to rev limiter, power shifts and violent attempts to get the car to chirp going into the 3rd gear...

The car never once complained about the beating. If I recall, the only problems my buddy ever had were: a rear strut that suddenly blew out (right after it was lowered on the struts already on the car), a broken tie rod end and a couple of brake caliper pins that got dry and stuck. It also stood up very well to t-boning an Escort that turned left in front of it at about 30MPH, needing only a hood and headlight. By the time my buddy got rid of it, the only complaint was that it puffed a bit of blue smoke, which is common for even elderly driven high mile 4AFE/7AFE cars.

The car was simple as Lego's to diagnose and fix. Along with two helpers, I did a motor swap in the thing in under 8 hours at an extremely leiserly pace. Parts are dirt cheap and readily available at all parts store, and there's always an abundance of Prizrolla's at pick a part yards. I rolled around in the thing with PLPD insurance, and it was something like $300/year...

My only complaints were: -Some cheap plastics. Door handles and window cranks like to frequently break. -Awful tendency to rust in the rear quarters and on the rocker panels.

I'm keeping my eyes open for a clean 5-speed example that I can daily.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/16/14 3:04 p.m.

Yugo was my favorite. By a long shot.

trucke
trucke Reader
5/16/14 3:30 p.m.

Corolla AE82's are great momentum cars. Parts are plentiful, but knowing what will work can be a challenge since many parts are not listed as compatible.

JThw8
JThw8 PowerDork
5/16/14 6:37 p.m.
SVreX wrote: Yugo was my favorite. By a long shot.

This. Sadly few people will ever experience a properly prepared Yugo but when it's done right its the next best thing to a go kart and the definition of a momentum racer.

dropstep
dropstep New Reader
5/16/14 6:38 p.m.

As much as i initially hated mine after some fixes im finding the turbo sundance to be a blast, you can find them cheap if you look and theres a fairly large aftermarket. my 4 door fits 2 6 year olds in the back without an issue!

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof PowerDork
5/16/14 6:55 p.m.
sethmeister4 wrote: Trying to snag another DD, and something like this would work since I can't find anything else I want. Corolla? Neon? Sentra? Saturn? Base models are welcome of course, and pictures and fun stories are encouraged. Go!

Well, since you set the bar that low, I'll recommend my favourite.

You won't be interested, and if you are, you'll say you can't find one, but I'll try.

98-01 Swift.

Indestructible, ridiculous on gas and all the personality of a Swift GT, but actually in a decent car. Swift GT power in an afternoon's work. Four of those five were mine

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/16/14 7:19 p.m.
JThw8 wrote:
SVreX wrote: Yugo was my favorite. By a long shot.
This. Sadly few people will ever experience a properly prepared Yugo but when it's done right its the next best thing to a go kart and the definition of a momentum racer.

And to think...

We are both talking about the same Yugo!

JThw8
JThw8 PowerDork
5/16/14 10:25 p.m.
SVreX wrote:
JThw8 wrote:
SVreX wrote: Yugo was my favorite. By a long shot.
This. Sadly few people will ever experience a properly prepared Yugo but when it's done right its the next best thing to a go kart and the definition of a momentum racer.
And to think... We are both talking about the same Yugo!

'cause it's the best one! its really why as much as I have no time or energy I know I have to see this darn car through. Once done it will be one of the best examples of what can be done with the platform. Short of maybe Scott Phelps' car but I think I have even a few improvements over what he did.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
5/16/14 10:31 p.m.
This. Sadly few people will ever experience a properly prepared Yugo ...

This is the only place on earth where that statement is taken at face value.

b13990
b13990 New Reader
5/16/14 11:44 p.m.

LeCar?

Volksrodden
Volksrodden Dork
5/17/14 8:01 a.m.

I have mkiii Jetta, good little car. It's good on gas, axles and breaks are easy to work on and you find with a 5speed all day long.

sethmeister4
sethmeister4 Dork
5/17/14 7:21 p.m.

@ Powar-I really know next to nothing about Saabs. Never worked on them, never even changed oil in one. So no rant from me on them. I really like your Protege, and I look for them frequently, but nothing so far. I called on one a while back but got no return to my message.

@Zomby Woof-Hey, give me some credit! I actually think Swifts are cool. I've been searching for Swifts, Storms, and other oddities lately. Nothing yet, but I'll keep searching! I've read a little of your build thread on that blue one...at list I think that's the one, right?

Corollas sound like class favorites for fun DDing. I'll start hunting! Thanks guys!

sethmeister4
sethmeister4 Dork
5/17/14 7:39 p.m.

I assume the 1.8 is the motor to have in a Corolla, not the 1.6?

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
5/17/14 7:55 p.m.

Doesnt really matter. Both have same mod/swap paths. 4a vs 7a. I'd prefer the 7a for more fun shenanigans down the road, but it's really about just getting a good chassis.

Also: the Corolla got the 1zzfe motor before the Celica. 140hp, easy swap to the 180hp celica gts motor. That's late ae111 gen I think.

sethmeister4
sethmeister4 Dork
5/17/14 9:46 p.m.
Zomby Woof wrote: Indestructible, ridiculous on gas and all the personality of a Swift GT, but actually in a decent car. Swift GT power in an afternoon's work. Four of those five were mine

What is this afternoon's work you speak of?

evildky
evildky Dork
5/17/14 10:17 p.m.
sethmeister4 wrote: In reply to evildky: Nope, not in this case.

None of the criteria you gave excludes miata.

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof PowerDork
5/18/14 5:44 a.m.
sethmeister4 wrote: What is this afternoon's work you speak of?

How to hotrod your 98-01 Swift

sethmeister4
sethmeister4 Dork
5/18/14 6:55 a.m.

In reply to evildky:

You are correct sir. I should have noted that a backseat is a must to take my son with me on occasion. Otherwise, yes, a Miata would fit the bill nicely.

sethmeister4
sethmeister4 Dork
5/18/14 7:01 a.m.
Zomby Woof wrote:
sethmeister4 wrote: What is this afternoon's work you speak of?
How to hotrod your 98-01 Swift

Nice!

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UberDork
5/18/14 1:52 p.m.

In reply to 4cylndrfury:

The 98-02 Corolla/Prizm is even better, same chassis/suspension, but ~100lbs lighter in the front with the same engine that went into the Euro market Lotus Elise S.

SVTF
SVTF Reader
5/18/14 2:05 p.m.

Focus SVT. Very capable even in factory form, very reliable, parts are cheap and the Cosworth engine/Getrag 6-speed tranny work great on a road course.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
5/18/14 5:29 p.m.
Apexcarver wrote: With a kid to tote? E30 4 door. Still not bad price wise, good availability of parts, good track manners, a spec racing series that should provide enough data to basically pirate for your build so you dont have to be the pioneer. I have friends who played with Hyundai Accents, their problem was finding speed parts, especially ones that were worthwhile (durable, well made, did a decent job). Often they have to order something straight from Korea. Also consider a E36 325i The BMW tax doesn't really carry over to the consumables on the E30 at least. Mine was usually MUCH cheaper than my mustang and on par with my miata (which came after it). That said, big components seemed to be worth a touch more on the BMW. Other things the E30 would have is back doors for ease and comfort with the kid (only a 50lb weight penalty IIRC) and a cavernous trunk. The E30 has an awesome trunk. Seriously, I was shocked at what I could fit in there. I would rate it as a 3 dead hooker trunk. (not that I ever put dead hookers in there per se.. you can't prove ANYTHING!)

I found the same with my old BMW 318ti, the only "tax" was the sheer amount of kids who wanted to race my lowered Sport model thinking it was some sort of M3. I found that part very taxing..

calteg
calteg HalfDork
5/18/14 5:33 p.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: Best shifter feel Ive ever experienced.

You need to drive a wider variety of cars.

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to 4cylndrfury: The 98-02 Corolla/Prizm is even better, same chassis/suspension, but ~100lbs lighter in the front with the same engine that went into the Euro market Lotus Elise S.

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. My current DD is an 02 prizm. It had never even occurred to me to try hopping it up

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