Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?

In reply to golfduke :

That's the funny thing about all of this to me. People are very suspicious about the vaccine. And they want to do the "research" and see how it affects others. Cool. And they are suspicious of mega corporations doing things for profit that aren't really considerate of the health of the customer. Great.

How many of those same people regularly eat at McDonalds? How many drink Budweiser? Take Ibuprofen? Smoke cigarettes? Stare at facebook all day long? How many do illegal drugs?

It's just so funny to me how much of a mismatch that is. I'm pretty convinced that there is not a single logical person on the earth. Even when we think we are being logical we are a disaster. 

In reply to Robbie (Forum Supporter) :

I saw a pretty great meme semi-relevant to your point yesterday that I can't find, but the gist of it was 'if Pfizer just put the vaccine inside of a vape pod, everyone would get it...' It's definitely on the nose, but the point was made crystal clear to me, haha. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to golfduke :

That's the funny thing about all of this to me. People are very suspicious about the vaccine. And they want to do the "research" and see how it affects others. Cool. And they are suspicious of mega corporations doing things for profit that aren't really considerate of the health of the customer. Great.

How many of those same people regularly eat at McDonalds? How many drink Budweiser? Take Ibuprofen? Smoke cigarettes? Stare at facebook all day long? How many do illegal drugs?

It's just so funny to me how much of a mismatch that is. I'm pretty convinced that there is not a single logical person on the earth. Even when we think we are being logical we are a disaster. 

Excellent point. People will pull out the argument that supports the thing they already want to do. 

In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :

Yup exactly that. At will states means that if your employer requires the vaccine and you don't get it, better start looking for another job. 

PA is a right-to-work state and they can fire you.  Technically, they legally are supposed to have two pieces of documentation that you were disciplined for an action, but two things really make that a nothingburger; first, the cost of litigation is something that most terminated employees don't undertake, and second, in the case of requiring a covid test, all it takes is telling you to get it twice.  If you refuse twice, there are your two marks.  Fired.

I think the law in PA is that you must be informed of a change to policy.  You are not legally given a voice in that policy change.  At that point, you can either conform to the new rules, walk away, or be fired.  We recently went through an update to job descriptions at the theater.  The board wrote down what think we do, we wrote down what we actually do.  That was funny.  Almost everyone on the board thought I was the scenic designer.  Some board members thought I was also the person who cleaned the bathrooms and wanted that put in my job description.  Um... what part of Technical Director includes Janitor?  But if they successfully added cleaning bathrooms to my job description, I had no legal say in it.  I either would have had to start cleaning the latrines, find a new job, or just refuse and they would have the option to fire me.

Fortunately, I've been there the longest and most of the board members actually take advice from me, so it was a non-issue.

mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

This is probably not an issue for most people who are allergic to something. Unfortunately, our close friend is immunocompromised (Hashimoto's) and allergic to... nickel, grass, shellfish, sulfites, vinegars (related to sulfites), penicillin, dogs... I'm sure I'm missing a lot here, too. To the point that she brings a bag of McDonalds to weddings, just to be safe. At least she's not allergic to eggs. She'll probably have to hold back on the vaccine. So that is one probable setback to getting back to "normal" for our small circle.

She has a ton of allergies,and yet will put the empty calories of McDonalds in her body? My wife has many, and brings her own food to many places. but its food. There is very little food in the places nick-named fast food.

In reply to 03Panther :

No need to flounder the discussion...it's about the vaccine, not about food choices.

Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to golfduke :

That's the funny thing about all of this to me. People are very suspicious about the vaccine. And they want to do the "research" and see how it affects others. Cool. And they are suspicious of mega corporations doing things for profit that aren't really considerate of the health of the customer. Great.

How many of those same people regularly eat at McDonalds? How many drink Budweiser? Take Ibuprofen? Smoke cigarettes? Stare at facebook all day long? How many do illegal drugs?

It's just so funny to me how much of a mismatch that is. I'm pretty convinced that there is not a single logical person on the earth. Even when we think we are being logical we are a disaster. 

Lets see. I do not eat at McDonalds (any small amount of research will tell you why not) I have no clue how beer fits in here, but I drink one or two ever few years or so. Ibuprofen has been around a REALLY long time; i think its side effects are extremely well known. Not sure what facebook has to do with your point, but before needing to look at car ads from on here, I'd never looked at facebook even once. I don't smoke poison, and some Illegal drugs are not the slightest bit bad for ya - in moderation. I also don't do any, but your relevance does not work out. I do agree with the point I think you wanted to make, but you examples ... no.

There are a loot of folks jumping on the band wagon just to be obstinate, but I also feel that these vaccines have been rushed to market, and the people that want mor information before putting it in their bodies are not necessarily wrong. I'm glad there are people that want to be the test subjects - we need them. but I do not want to be forced to be one of them. For many reasons.

I also do agree that even the most logical humans, are still ruled more by there emotions than logic. We are all products of our own experences.

stuart in mn said:

In reply to 03Panther :

No need to flounder the discussion...it's about the vaccine, not about food choices.

I thought it was about what we put in our bodies?

03Panther said:

mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

This is probably not an issue for most people who are allergic to something. Unfortunately, our close friend is immunocompromised (Hashimoto's) and allergic to... nickel, grass, shellfish, sulfites, vinegars (related to sulfites), penicillin, dogs... I'm sure I'm missing a lot here, too. To the point that she brings a bag of McDonalds to weddings, just to be safe. At least she's not allergic to eggs. She'll probably have to hold back on the vaccine. So that is one probable setback to getting back to "normal" for our small circle.

She has a ton of allergies,and yet will put the empty calories of McDonalds in her body? My wife has many, and brings her own food to many places. but its food. There is very little food in the places nick-named fast food.

McDonalds can be, and for most people often is empty calories. It doesn’t have to be though. And for people with severe food allergies, it can be a godsend - you can look up all of the ingredients in everything. For my friend, there is nothing on the menu she has to worry about in terms of cross contamination, and the items that she gets are all allergy friendly for her. 

Now, for the nutrition, my wife is a Dietitian, I read dietetic journals for leisure, and we eat mostly plant based. McDonald’s still makes its way into our diet. I’ve had it probably 3 times since September. I’ve also lost 16 pounds since then too. If you’re generally eating healthy and your weight, cholesterol, and blood pressure are in check, a Big Mac every few months ain’t gonna kill you. The thing I worry about most is the fact that I eat meat when I eat McDonald’s, and I try to eat as close to a vegan diet as I can for long term health concerns. 

93EXCivic said:

In reply to Carbon (Forum Supporter) :

I don't understand. 

I know a marathon runner who had it and 6 months later can barely finish a 5k. 

You don't need to understand, but I am happy to explain. Here goes:

i dont trust these people, they're quite happy to lie to us when they think it will benefit them, they've proven that time and again. I am more willing to take my chances with a virus than I am with a rushed to market vaccine that seems suspicious and forced upon me. I think this whole "pandemic" has been mismanaged horribly and after seeing the abuses of power, I'm not on board with whatever their agenda is. Thanks. 

I will get the vaccine when it's offered. My understanding, partly from the research snippets posted in this thread, leaves me feeling very comfortable that billions of dollars thrown at world class companies can create a vaccine with existing technology and reasearch to fit published safety standards inside a year. Politization is already wreaking havoc and from what I've heard at work or from my parents or seen here, it's gonna be a lot worse before it gets any better. (Just gonna leave it at that mods) I saw the poll stat saying that nearly half of Americans wouldn't take the vaccine if it was offered now and I'm not even all that surprised anymore. I read an article about local governments having to pass mask mandates and I like the words of Councilman Obermark of Washington City, MO: "We tried nothing and it isn't working," he said, "so we have to try something." Why don't we try something, instead of nothing?

Carbon (Forum Supporter) said:

93EXCivic said:

In reply to Carbon (Forum Supporter) :

I don't understand. 

I know a marathon runner who had it and 6 months later can barely finish a 5k. 

You don't need to understand, but I am happy to explain. Here goes:

i dont trust these people, they're quite happy to lie to us when they think it will benefit them, they've proven that time and again. I am more willing to take my chances with a virus than I am with a rushed to market vaccine that seems suspicious and forced upon me. I think this whole "pandemic" has been mismanaged horribly and after seeing the abuses of power, I'm not on board with whatever their agenda is. Thanks. 

I'm not saying that I think you are right, but your explanation makes a more sense than I would like it to. In the USA it would be wrong to force people with your concerns to take it.

I'm frankly terrified of the people who would force people to do something like this. Just the lack of respect for the whole my body, my choice thing alone. We stand up for women that want to have control over what happens to their bodies, I'm firmly with them too. I think in a Free society, you don't ostracize people or prevent them from earning a living for having different beliefs than you. It's just not right. I dont care if people say I'm being crazy, or paranoid, if only to stand up for the right to do so, I'm not doing this. If people make choices that I dont agree with, I respect them and their right to do so. People can practice whatever religion they choose, they can marry one another any way that makes them happy, I respect that and wish them the best. I help people when I can (I help people for a living). The least they can do is not force their beliefs upon me. If they try, I'll fight. If it costs me my livelihood, I'll find a different one, it'll break my heart, but I'm berking free, that wont be taken from me. 

I am not aware of anyone forcing anyone else to take the vaccine.

If you are referring to conditions of employment, or conditions of participation (or entrance etc.), those are the "freedoms" of the companies / entities involved (including government entities e.g. schools).  If you don't want to comply with their requirements, they are free to restrict your employment / access.  This is very much true with many other non-health related characteristics also, with some obvious exceptions (discrimination laws).

There are well established presidents for example of the right for public schools to require certain vaccinations for attendance.  Those of course are not arbitrary and are for the overall good of those in the school. 
 

In reply to aircooled :

There are lots of people are saying the government will require it. I can’t say who, ‘cause it would shut this tread down. But it could happen. I don’t know if it will, but could. 

And there are folks on here that have said quite plainly, that the government SHOULD. So I don’t think he is out of line to be concerned.  

03Panther said:

In reply to aircooled :

There are lots of people are saying the government will require it. I can’t say who, ‘cause it would shut this tread down. But it could happen. I don’t know if it will, but could. 

And there are folks on here that have said quite plainly, that the government SHOULD. So I don’t think he is out of line to be concerned.  

This. I can't say it because reasons but this. 

03Panther said:

stuart in mn said:

In reply to 03Panther :

No need to flounder the discussion...it's about the vaccine, not about food choices.

I thought it was about what we put in our bodies?

According to the title, it's about "Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?"

Unless his friend is going to weddings three times a day, seven days a week, having an occasional fast food meal is not an issue.

03Panther said:

In reply to aircooled :

There are lots of people are saying the government will require it. I can’t say who, ‘cause it would shut this tread down. But it could happen. I don’t know if it will, but could. 

And there are folks on here that have said quite plainly, that the government SHOULD. So I don’t think he is out of line to be concerned.  

"People" say a lot of things about what the government can and will require. However, these claims go against what the Federal Govt is Constitutionally allowed.  And given how political the entire subject is, I fully expect Congress to punt the entire matter to the States - where again - political views on the subject vary quite a bit.

Theoretically, the President could declare a National Emergency and direct FEMA to distribute the vaccine to all citizens, but it may need a Congressional spending bill in order to fund that operation since I would be surprised if FEMA has enough extra budget funds not already allocated. Besides, that is not really the kind of operation FEMA is set up/staffed to do. While I could see a Congressional spending bill going through to fund State distribution, I don't see a bill for FEMA to do it getting passed. 

At a more local level, I could see some local school systems requiring children attending public schools to be vaccinated, but even that ruling would likely get challenged in the courts.

Carbon (Forum Supporter) said:

I'm frankly terrified of the people who would force people to do something like this. Just the lack of respect for the whole my body, my choice thing alone. We stand up for women that want to have control over what happens to their bodies, I'm firmly with them too. I think in a Free society, you don't ostracize people or prevent them from earning a living for having different beliefs than you. It's just not right. I dont care if people say I'm being crazy, or paranoid, if only to stand up for the right to do so, I'm not doing this. If people make choices that I dont agree with, I respect them and their right to do so. People can practice whatever religion they choose, they can marry one another any way that makes them happy, I respect that and wish them the best. I help people when I can (I help people for a living). The least they can do is not force their beliefs upon me. If they try, I'll fight. If it costs me my livelihood, I'll find a different one, it'll break my heart, but I'm berking free, that wont be taken from me. 

I respect your position.

I don't view employer requirements as anyone being forced.  In fact, I view it as respect.  Respect for others, and sometimes people they may disagree with.

Employers are a fiery bunch.  The ones I know lean heavily conservative, and hate when government tells them what to do.  That's part of why they became business owners.  These are the people who would FIGHT against vaccine mandates.

However, they also like to make money.  They recognize the risk, as well as their responsibility.

An employer who DOESN'T call for all of their employees to get the vaccine is disrespecting the health and bodies of their employees and customers who believe vaccinations are the best path forward.

Employers fought against mask mandates.  Now they are quite normal.  It won't take long for the efficacy of the vaccines to be recognized and widely accepted.

There is no doubt- its a lose/lose situation.  But I don't think it is a forced situation.  It is a matter of being as wise as possible with limited information.

In reply to stuart in mn :

It may come as a surprise to you, but I can actually read, just like you can. Mtn gave a reasonable reply - didn’t seem like he or the op thought it was off topic enough to be a jerk. you might want to let this go. 

I would like to get vaccintated.

I would like everyone to get vaccinated.

I don't think we should force people to get vaccinated.

I think we should educate people so that they want to be vaccinated.

/science

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

I was trying not to be political. I was trying to point out why some are worried what will happen when the man who thinks he will be in charge soon (and might be) openly states that he WILL require mandatory vaccination. Maybe the political lesson should go to him. And some on here think he SHOULD make it mandatory

i am carefully not saying how I personally feel about that... just something I see on here. I have no intent to start an argument with anyone. 

03Panther said:

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

I was trying not to be political. I was trying to point out why some are worried what will happen when the man who thinks he will be in charge soon (and might be) openly states that he WILL require mandatory vaccination. Maybe the political lesson should go to him. And some on here think he SHOULD make it mandatory

i am carefully not saying how I personally feel about that... just something I see on here. I have no intent to start an argument with anyone. 

Dude, you really need to get a better news source. 

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

Neither President-Elect Biden nor President Trump calling for mandatory vaccination

Posts spread quote falsely attributed to Biden about COVID-19 and vaccines

03Panther said:

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

I was trying not to be political. I was trying to point out why some are worried what will happen when the man who thinks he will be in charge soon (and might be) openly states that he WILL require mandatory vaccination. Maybe the political lesson should go to him. And some on here think he SHOULD make it mandatory

i am carefully not saying how I personally feel about that... just something I see on here. I have no intent to start an argument with anyone. 

Is there any evidence than someone will make this vaccine mandatory?  I have seen zero sources report that.