But what's the deal with all the torx crap on the interior? There's a bunch if torx screws to hold the door panel on, and it still uses those plastic studs to hold it in place...arrrr.
Othe than that it's very cool.
Joey
But what's the deal with all the torx crap on the interior? There's a bunch if torx screws to hold the door panel on, and it still uses those plastic studs to hold it in place...arrrr.
Othe than that it's very cool.
Joey
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
In reply to Redhornet:
Do a 4bt conversion.
In reply to Redhornet: A diesel would be very cool...
Joey
Chrysler loved them some Torx fasteners in the 80's and 90's. Really all of Detroit did, but Chrysler the most.
Redhornet wrote: Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
The 4bt is a cool conversion, but it's heavy and expensive. You could swap in a V8 much easier and get better hp/torque numbers (in the low-end of the RPM range, not just high-up) For example, the Chrysler LA 5.2L/5.9L. Can get those to work with the factory gauges. I thought the 4bt looked great, until I realized what it cost and its complexity. Checked the numbers and it's overshadowed by some easier options. The 4bt is a heavy lump, so I couldn't see weight being a deciding factor. And for mileage, I wouldn't expect a huge boost.
njansenv wrote:Redhornet wrote: Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...Diseasal Liberty. I want one....
No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.
DrBoost wrote:njansenv wrote:No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.Redhornet wrote: Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...Diseasal Liberty. I want one....
I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
Jeep loves Torx. I do not.
At 8 AM today, I was buying two hex bolts to replace the two reverse Torx bolts at the top of the engine / transmission. Removal took hours (and new tools), reinstallation will take moments.
JeepinMatt wrote:DrBoost wrote:I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.njansenv wrote:No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.Redhornet wrote: Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...Diseasal Liberty. I want one....
Honestly, I'm amazed that the JK got a real front axle. I suspect that the next one is going IFS regardless of who is in charge.
I doubt (maybe I'm a fool though) that the Wrangler will go IFS anytime soon. It would be like JeepinMatt's vette described above.
In reply to JeepinMatt:
It would be cool if gm made a 4 door diesel hatchback though...
Joey
Is the jk even a "real" jeep? It seems so huge and ungainly. I've always thought of jeeps as being smaller and compact. JK (does it stand for Jusy Kidding?) jeeps just seem as bug as an H3.
Joey
joey48442 wrote: Is the jk even a "real" jeep? It seems so huge and ungainly. I've always thought of jeeps as being smaller and compact. JK (does it stand for Jusy Kidding?) jeeps just seem as bug as an H3. Joey
It is very much a "real" jeep. It isn't as small as older ones, but it is at least as capable, and in a lot of cases more so.
They just look akward to me. I still don't really accept the NC miata, even though it seems to be better in most respects. I'm sure my tj isn't a "real" jeep to some people as well...
Joey
JeepinMatt wrote: I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
The 2011 redesign is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components.
The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
There were alot of pissed-off people at work when we found out that Fiatsler had axexd the diesel for the N.A. market.
As far as the Torx fastener fascination, my theory is that Chrysler invested heavily in the Torx-futures market back when they were still selling cars, and now are left with several billion of them that they need to use.
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njansenv wrote:Redhornet wrote: Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...Diseasal Liberty. I want one....
Me too.. Until I go to lostkjs.com and read all about the problems with the engines. Then.. I think twice.
grafmiata wrote:JeepinMatt wrote: I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.The 2011 "redesign" is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components. The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
Another 5" on top of what the JK gained over the TJ? The JK already looks a bit wide; not bad, just a little jarring.
Torx. Someone tried to convince me that these are Metric Allens.
Not buying it.
Dan
I liked the color scheme and simplicity of this concept. Will paint my CJ7 this color...when I buy one.
I would only but an Unlimited JK, for the practicality of 4 doors, usable back seat, cargo room, ect... For 2 doors I would MUCH rather get a TJ. I want one so bad, but price, insurance, and gas have my wallet crying bloody murder.
Maybe a cherokee, or for open air fun, a tracker.
In reply to neon4891:
My full coverage for the 99 tj is 589 for six monthes, an I just got a quote for under 400 from another company. Not bad, in my opinion.
Joey
joey48442 wrote: In reply to JeepinMatt: It would be cool if gm made a 4 door diesel hatchback though... Joey
It just occurred to me that gm DID make a 4 door diesel hatchback called the 'vette.
The CHEvette....
Joey
JeepinMatt wrote:grafmiata wrote:Another 5" on top of what the JK gained over the TJ? The JK already looks a bit wide; not bad, just a little jarring.JeepinMatt wrote: I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.The 2011 "redesign" is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components. The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
It's still speculation at this point, but we've been hearing it for a couple years now. Hopefully it doesn't happen.
The JK is already painfully slow and gets pretty dismal mpg. Adding more frontal area to the vehicle just doesn't seem like a recipe for success to me... Unless there's something in the works engine-wise that we haven't heard about, but I'm not holding my breath.
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