In reply to Will: That's what I was trying to say when I started this thread Will. I spent most of my life working on cars and spending money on them. I hate to see stuff torn up for no reason. But that's just me.
In reply to Will: That's what I was trying to say when I started this thread Will. I spent most of my life working on cars and spending money on them. I hate to see stuff torn up for no reason. But that's just me.
I agree with Bravenrace, this whole burnout/doughnut spectacle appears to have started back in Zanardi's CART/Champcar days. I don't mind the occasional display, but now it appears to be something mandatory that all drivers do. It's comical to watch the guy racing at the local short track trying to do a donut or burnout in his 4 cylinder race car. All I think about is all the time and effort that goes into preparing a well built race car, and the driver goes out and needlessly damages it. There are people back in the shop that have to repair that stuff. I'm sure they appreciate the extra work.
ncjay wrote: I agree with Bravenrace, this whole burnout/doughnut spectacle appears to have started back in Zanardi's CART/Champcar days. I don't mind the occasional display, but now it appears to be something mandatory that all drivers do. It's comical to watch the guy racing at the local short track trying to do a donut or burnout in his 4 cylinder race car. All I think about is all the time and effort that goes into preparing a well built race car, and the driver goes out and needlessly damages it. There are people back in the shop that have to repair that stuff. I'm sure they appreciate the extra work.
for the upper tier teams in the top level series like the NASCAR Cup series and what not, the cars will be totally gone thru with the engines, transmissions, rear axles, and suspensions totally rebuilt. they get pretty much torn down to the bare chassis. the exception is when they are planning on running the same car the next weekend, then they will just throw new parts on it and make it look pretty again. they don't get to keep the tires- they are given back to Goodyear after the race to be recycled or whatever they do with them.. so they might as well burn 'm down..
and can you honestly say that you haven't mercilessly beaten on your junk for no other reason than to beat on it? these guys are celebratign a win that will bring at least hundreds of thousands of dollars to the team and keep the sponsors happy.. might as well make some noise and give the fans a smoke show.
I'm no big fan of victory burnouts.
That said, you have to realize that literally every engine getting abused at the "pro level" is already set for removal, rebuild and replacement, right?
Now, if a driver blows a perfectly engine, he's got some major azz-kissing to perform back at the shop.
Edit: novaderrick beat me by four minutes.....
Will wrote: That Panizzi thing was pretty cool. Not destructive. I remember seeing Jeff Burton (I think) win a race several years back after all the younger drivers started doing monster burnouts after they won. Burton just took a normal victory lap, and in the post race interview they asked him why he didn't do a burnout. He said something like "Naw, I've got too much respect for the guys that built the car to tear it up like that." I respect him for that.
Mark Martin is the same way. he won't do a burnout after the race.
oldsaw wrote: I'm no big fan of victory burnouts. That said, you have to realize that literally every engine getting abused at the "pro level" is already set for removal, rebuild and replacement, right? Now, if a driver blows a perfectly engine, he's got some major azz-kissing to perform back at the shop. Edit: novaderrick beat me by four minutes.....
You can have at it in Cup. Nationwide has a sealed engine that has to be run twice, and the Trucks have something similar though I can't remember exactly what it is anymore.
turbojunker wrote:oldsaw wrote: I'm no big fan of victory burnouts. That said, you have to realize that literally every engine getting abused at the "pro level" is already set for removal, rebuild and replacement, right? Now, if a driver blows a perfectly engine, he's got some major azz-kissing to perform back at the shop. Edit: novaderrick beat me by four minutes.....You can have at it in Cup. Nationwide has a sealed engine that has to be run twice, and the Trucks have something similar though I can't remember exactly what it is anymore.
where diD you read/hear this? this is the first i've ever heard of the Nationwide cars having a sealed engine of any kind.. i do know that if you change engines after going thru tech, you start at the back of the pack regardless of qualifying position.. but this is also true in the Cup series.
NASCAR has announced a series of measures designed to cut costs for Nationwide Series teams, including one that prohibits teams from using a new or refurbished engine in three consecutive races in 2010. Last year, the rule prohibited using new engines in four consecutive races. After a race, teams can ask for an engine to be sealed so that it can be used in a future event.
I'm from the Mark Martin School of Post-Race Celebrations. Take the checker, cool-down lap, pull into Victory Lane, thank the crew for preparing such a fine car, swig some GatorAde and head for the trailer.
I can't remember who said it first but when asked about football end-zone celebrations, one old-school guy said, "Act like you been there before and you expect to be back there again real soon."
The sealed-engine rule in Nascar NNS and NCTS is explained here:
http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/nns-illegal-sealed-engine-penalties/
The teams (themselves) decide it they want an engine sealed - and in what series it may be used.
bravenrace wrote: For the record, the donuts, and thus the smokey burnout, was first done by Alex Zanardi in ChampCar back in the 90's. It was great, because it was him, and if you knew him and/or his driving style, you understand. He didn't do it for sponsors, or for the show. He did it because he was happy to have won. Everyone else is just a poser wannabe, IMO.
Yup, you beat me to it. Zanardi is way bigger than Chuck Norris.
novaderrik wrote: these guys are celebratign a win that will bring at least hundreds of thousands of dollars to the team and keep the sponsors happy.. might as well make some noise and give the fans a smoke show.
Except it started to seem like an old joke many years ago - Not entertaining anymore. But I'm a ChampCar fan, and a little biased. When Zanardi did it, it was new and different. In fact, it almost seemed like he was the only one who could do it, as it just fit his dramatic driving style, which was quite exciting to watch. So to me, all these other guys, especially NASCAR drivers, are just copying, which is kind of lame, if you ask me.
I blame The Who.
In reply to Appleseed:
Good play.
bravenrace wrote:novaderrik wrote: these guys are celebratign a win that will bring at least hundreds of thousands of dollars to the team and keep the sponsors happy.. might as well make some noise and give the fans a smoke show.Except it started to seem like an old joke many years ago - Not entertaining anymore. But I'm a ChampCar fan, and a little biased. When Zanardi did it, it was new and different. In fact, it almost seemed like he was the only one who could do it, as it just fit his dramatic driving style, which was quite exciting to watch. So to me, all these other guys, especially NASCAR drivers, are just copying, which is kind of lame, if you ask me.
it may be "lame" to you, but the NASCAR fans in the stands do love themselves a good smoke show.
http://jalopnik.com/5797796/aussies-protest-burnout-ban-with-burnouts
You can't force people to do post event celebrations, or else they look stupid and forced and bored.
And telling them not to is pretty much just giving them a reason to. 
.... Dan Gurney changed motorsport victory celebrations forever back in '67
.... I think it musta caught on
fasted58 wrote:
weren't the Frenchies all offended because he wasted all that expensive fine champagne? according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...
i wonder if people got as mad over that as when that one guy that didn't take a big drink of milk after he won the Indy 500 a while back?
every race series has it's own set of traditions- traditions that had to get started at some point.
the top 3 F1 drivers stand on the podium, spray champagne all over each other, and listen to the national anthem of the winning driver before going to the press room for an interview session . NASCAR winners take a victory lap, do a big smoky burnout, spray champagne and/or beer and/or energy drinks (depending on the sponsor of the race and/or team) on each other in victory circle, then spend an hour with the whole team having their pictures taken wearing various hats..
it's all the same, only different.
novaderrik wrote: according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...
What is your problem? I have an opinion - Get over it.
bravenrace wrote:novaderrik wrote: according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...What is your problem? I have an opinion - Get over it.
Your opinion is kinda Shiny Happy Person-ish. 
If I ever win a road race that has champagne you can bet your Mother that I would want to spray that sucker everywhere!
bravenrace wrote:novaderrik wrote: according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...What is your problem? I have an opinion - Get over it.
i wasn't pointing that statement at anyone in general- i never really look to see who says what on internet bulletin boards- but if you think it was pointed at you, then by all means get all offended and see if it makes your life any better.
novaderrik wrote:bravenrace wrote:i wasn't pointing that statement at anyone in particular- i never really look to see who says what on internet bulletin boards- but if you think it was pointed at you, then by all means get all offended and see if it makes your life any better.novaderrik wrote: according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...What is your problem? I have an opinion - Get over it.
novaderrik wrote:novaderrik wrote:bravenrace wrote:i wasn't pointing that statement at anyone in particular- i never really look to see who says what on internet bulletin boards- but if you think it was pointed at you, then by all means get all offended and see if it makes your life any better.novaderrik wrote: according to some people around here, everyone that has done that in the time since has been a poser...What is your problem? I have an opinion - Get over it.
I just wanted to quote you quoting yourself in a double post in reply to someone quoting you
novaderrik wrote: I wonder if people got as mad over that as when that one guy that didn't take a big drink of milk after he won the Indy 500 a while back?
Emerson Fittipaldi, 1989.
At least that's what I thought, but he was the second driver that didn't take a big drink of milk after winning the Indy 500.
Strizzo wrote: i'd guess it depends on the situation. if the race really means something, and is a big accomplishment, then its warranted. when i crewed for a kart racer, the club would have non-points fun races, basically a run-what ya brung deal. there was a guy that did some national races and ran a 250cc 6 speed shifter that ran there sometimes. most of the other people ran single speed 125cc TAG or Rotax karts. the guy basically would have had no excuse if he didn't dominate the field in a 15-lap race, even starting in the back. it took him 5 or 6 laps to finally pass my driver and even still didn't win the race by more than half a lap. while the rest of the field made their way back to the pits like they always did, this guy cut donuts all the way down the front straight, and then had to come the wrong way down pit-out to get back into the pits. that always stands out in my mind as a shining example of d-baggery
Sounds like Gran Tourismo, winning the Sunday Cup in a 1000HP, 245 MPH, Mitusbishi GT3000/GTO.
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