Riots in Ferguson

In reply to madmallard:

Good call. It's selfishness in the extreme. Folks sense social unrest and capitalize on it, literally, by taking things. Even worse, some seem to thrive on pure destruction of... anything. People, cars, buildings. I guess some people always wish they could behave like it was a grand theft auto game.

In reply to madmallard:

They torched the Dellwood city hall too.....I'm beginning to think these people don't pay taxes.

Torching the Little Caesars could be considered a community service.

In reply to PHeller:

Those costs will always be there, regardless if lethal force is used or not. And they can't stop paying those costs to develop less-than-lethal techniques.

PHeller wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: By minor you mean "old enough to serve in the military and hopped up on all kinds of drugs shortly after robbing a convenience store," right?

I'm not referring to Mike Brown in this case, I'm referring to Tarin Rice, or the likely number of unarmed minors that have been killed by police, although I don't have those numbers.

Wonder how many more unarmed minors have been killed by people OTHER than police.

Also still wondering why the white kid in Utah killed by an "other than white" cop (seriously... that's how they reported it) wasn't in the news.

Why do we stand for the police to have and use tear gas when the use of it in a war constitutes a war crime?

If you've ever been exposed to it, it is nasty stuff. Yes, it is an effective way to disperse a crowd (assuming they don't have their own gas masks), but it is chemical warfare.

Swank Force One wrote: Also still wondering why the white kid in Utah killed by an "other than white" cop (seriously... that's how they reported it) wasn't in the news.

Probably because he was caught on the cop's body cam yelling "No fool" when the cop tells him to put his hands up, just before he reaches into his pants...

GameboyRMH wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: Also still wondering why the white kid in Utah killed by an "other than white" cop (seriously... that's how they reported it) wasn't in the news.

Probably because he was caught on the cop's body cam yelling "No fool" when the cop tells him to put his hands up, just before he reaches into his pants...

You think if they had body cam footage of Mike Brown doing the same exact thing, these riots wouldn't be happening?

In reply to T.J.: Tear gas in not a war crime. All of us veterans were exposed to it.

I'd like to see them using water cannons but that doesn't play well in the media either.

Maybe a really loud PA system playing Garth Brooks music?

I think he's confused nerve gas and tear gas. CS gas is a great way to get rid of a respiratory infection. Nerve gas will take your mind off of the respiratory infection.

It always baffles me when stuff like this happens. "We're mad; let's destroy our community."

Actual evidence as seen by the Grand Jury.

268 pages, how many will read it all or will we all continue with their beliefs unperturbed by facts?

logdog wrote: The anti-Ferguson movement has been around since the 90s.

BERKIN A DUDE! LOLOLZerz. You read my mind.

In reply to KyAllroad:

I've read the officers testimony one eye witness report that corroborates his account and the autopsy and toxicology reports of the victim. The only thing in this thread I disagree with is the idea that Mr. Brown was on somethung that made him more dangerous when the incident occurred, the toxicology report only found THC in his system.

KyAllroad wrote: Actual evidence as seen by the Grand Jury. 268 pages, how many will read it all or will we all continue with their beliefs unperturbed by facts?

Sad part is most of the people upset are judging the officer based on the initial "witness" accounts. It sounded like a horrible injustice when all these "witnesses" were jumping on front of cameras and microphones telling stories of an innocent man being shot while he was running away with his hands up. They just haven't bothered listening to the other evidence and that most of these "witnesses" are recanting or changing their story now they've seen the news or under threat of perjury.

I'm curious, are there any diagrams in the reports/evidence that show the distance between the vehicle and where Brown was found at the scene? Something that might indicate how far Wilson pursued Brown?

Wilson claimed 20-30ft from the vehicle, and he claims he was 20ft from Brown when Brown turned and ran back towards him.

I don't get it. An officer just started attempting to shoot you through a car door, why would you turn around and run towards him once he's got a clear shot?

I'd also be curious about what evidence there was to prove if Brown had been injured by those initial shots inside the vehicle or not. Maybe he wasn't and he though Wilson was firing blanks or something?

madmallard wrote: what make me sad is what was burned. I can understand an argument of taking out your anger on a national faced business franchise because it may represent the distant un-caring face of a national corporation that doesn't care about the community. I may not agree with it, but i can at least fathom it. ...but can someone help me fathom why they burn down a Smart Storage that has the personal items of people who live in the community?

probably because most of the looters and burners weren't people that live in the community and couldn't care less what gets destroyed ?

KyAllroad wrote: In reply to T.J.: Tear gas in not a war crime. All of us veterans were exposed to it. I'd like to see them using water cannons but that doesn't play well in the media either. Maybe a really loud PA system playing Garth Brooks music?

he's right … in boot camp, had to remove my gas mask and recite my general orders before being allowed to exit the gas house

moparman76_69 wrote: In reply to KyAllroad: I've read the officers testimony one eye witness report that corroborates his account and the autopsy and toxicology reports of the victim. The only thing in this thread I disagree with is the idea that Mr. Brown was on somethung that made him more dangerous when the incident occurred, the toxicology report only found THC in his system.

a small % (very small %) of people "high'' on pot DO become more aggressive (similar to how someone with alcohol in their system often reacts)

KyAllroad wrote: Actual evidence as seen by the Grand Jury. 268 pages, how many will read it all or will we all continue with their beliefs unperturbed by facts?

I put that up some time back.... but yeah. The Prosecutor, IMO, is doing the right thing. Giving all the info to the public. Because they choose to ignore it and continue to riot, steal, destroy etc is no longer on him.

PHeller wrote: I'm curious, are there any diagrams in the reports/evidence that show the distance between the vehicle and where Brown was found at the scene? Something that might indicate how far Wilson pursued Brown? Wilson claimed 20-30ft from the vehicle, and he claims he was 20ft from Brown when Brown turned and ran back towards him. I don't get it. An officer just started attempting to shoot you through a car door, why would you turn around and run towards him once he's got a clear shot? I'd also be curious about what evidence there was to prove if Brown had been injured by those initial shots inside the vehicle or not. Maybe he wasn't and he though Wilson was firing blanks or something?

Blood stains from Brown inside the cruiser. http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1371284-dna-analysis-report.html Blood sample Q12 from inside rear passenger door.

As well as sample Q19 off the officers firearm were from BOTH Brown and Wilson. Sorry.. that proves that Brown was actively grabbing the officers weapon. Sorry... play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

PHeller wrote: I'm curious, are there any diagrams in the reports/evidence that show the distance between the vehicle and where Brown was found at the scene? Something that might indicate how far Wilson pursued Brown?

The DA's public statement specifically noted the shooting occurred about 150' from the patrol vehicle. That was point when Mr. Brown decided to turn around and approach the officer. It took about half an hour for the DA to disseminate 268 pages of documentation into a simple explanation of the events, evidence and testimony.

Are diagrams really going to help understand that the grand jury was given five possible charges (when considering the evidence) and still couldn't find a compelling reason to recommend a single charge?

In reply to Bobzilla:

And GSR on the wound to the arm and inside the car.

Swank Force One wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: Also still wondering why the white kid in Utah killed by an "other than white" cop (seriously... that's how they reported it) wasn't in the news.

Probably because he was caught on the cop's body cam yelling "No fool" when the cop tells him to put his hands up, just before he reaches into his pants...

You think if they had body cam footage of Mike Brown doing the same exact thing, these riots wouldn't be happening?

Actually, yes, I think they wouldn't be happening, but that's just me.

It's just a wild case. Reading the interviews, I keep thinking to myself "none of this makes sense". I do think cameras would have helped dispel the notion that Brown never threatened Wilson.