RIP R.B.G.

A lawyer friend of mine runs as Ruthless Bader Ginsburg.

At 85, she might have been in better shape than the average GRMer.

RIP, lovely lady. 

Instead of the Notorious RBG, she should have been known as the Tenacious RBG.  She was a tough old bird.  She was really passionate about her beliefs.  She also said we can disagree without being disagreeable.  I  felt she should have retired and enjoyed life, but, that was her call.  

After her passing, I've been reading over the process of confirming SC justices.  She was confirmed 97-3.  We don't do that anymore.   Also she was way way down the list of people who Clinton had offered the job to (including his wife Hillary).  Nobody wanted it or it just wouldn't fly.    When he got to her, it was like it was the natural choice.  Most of the people in front of her were political hacks not worthy of the seat.  

At least she had a good sense of humor about falling asleep at the nationally televised event (that is escaping me) saying it was that good a wine that she drank.

RIP.

In reply to dxman92 :

It was the 2015 State of the Union address. I know that because I literally just read the article lol

In reply to yupididit :

This. This. So much, this.

I have a buddy just like that. Opposed on many social/political issues, have argued passionately with each other, yet  neither is looked down upon by the other. I would take a bullet for that man.

Disagreement is not disgust or hatred.  We need to start remembering that.

spitfirebill said:

... I  felt she should have retired and enjoyed life, but, that was her call...

 

I kind of feel sad for for that, she was clearly struggling and getting rather feeble toward the end. Never had a retirement. Seemed super sharp to the end though.

I suspect if you asked her, she would have no interest or purpose in retirement anyway.  Some people are just like that.  I think with her husband gone, work was her life.

RIP I hope others will follow her example.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:

If I may... He didn't say anything that wasn't nice. He just said he disagreed. That's OK.

Apparently not okay to some.  Says much more about them than about him.

I think Justice Ginsburg's legacy is encapsulated in what is ostensibly her dying wish.  That saddens me greatly.

The world would be a better place if we had more like RBG. 

The saddest part about it is how it became instantly political on both sides. No matter your beliefs/opinions/political views, let the woman be remembered and respected for a day or so. 
 

it's quite sad. 

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

The world would be a better place if we had more like RBG. 

I watched Sunday Morning this morning and they had a segment on RBG.  I lean more toward the right than left, but she was a very impressive woman.  I had no idea what a trail she blazed.  She had a great sense of humor, as she and Justice Scalia used to attend the opera together.  She graduated at the top of her class, but couldn't get a job.  She was a tiny Jewish woman with a 4 year old kid.  I'm so glad she persevered.  We are better for having her.  And to go back to my earlier post, she was way down the list of Clinton picks. 

Steve_Jones said:

The saddest part about it is how it became instantly political on both sides. No matter your beliefs/opinions/political views, let the woman be remembered and respected for a day or so. 
 

it's quite sad. 

I'm afraid It's just a sign of our times.  I don't see it changing, but I sure do wish it would.  

spitfirebill said:

Steve_Jones said:

The saddest part about it is how it became instantly political on both sides. No matter your beliefs/opinions/political views, let the woman be remembered and respected for a day or so. 
 

it's quite sad. 

I'm afraid It's just a sign of our times.  I don't see it changing, but I sure do wish it would.  

I'm truly curious if it's really just our times, or if it's just human nature. I mean, we used to have duels over politics and presidents have been assassinated (I assume over politics).

Also, big fan of RBG here. I am a fan of hard work being rewarded, and the humility to know that it's not all you.

Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

spitfirebill said:

I'm truly curious if it's really just our times, or if it's just human nature. I mean, we used to have duels over politics and presidents have been assassinated (I assume over politics).

Within politics (e.g.between politicians) I think you are entirely correct.  You could probably fairly say it was much worse in the past.  That I think is why RBG is such a (sadly) unique figure.

Socially, and interpersonally, I am pretty certain it is FAR worse than it has ever been.  There are large groups of people (maybe most people?) who are simply, and rightly, afraid of presenting opinions, that are by most any rational judgement, entirely reasonable and relevant. Not only from the potentially highly amplified backlash that is now possible, but the radical over emotionalization and over reaction that is now very common. I think the big arrow of course can be pointed at social media and the internet (media has of course also has always been pretty bad, at least in part).

As a decidely left-leaning person, I mourned the loss of RBG the same as John McCain, John Lewis, George H. W. Bush, Elijah Cummings... All of them doing what they thought was best for the country, regardless of whether or not I shared their opinion.

A servant of our country has died.  I don't care if they were leftys or rightys, I mourn.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:

As a decidely left-leaning person, I mourned the loss of RBG the same as John McCain, John Lewis, George H. W. Bush, Elijah Cummings... All of them doing what they thought was best for the country, regardless of whether or not I shared their opinion.

A servant of our country has died.  I don't care if they were leftys or rightys, I mourn.

As a somewhat right-leaning person I feel this needs to be repeated.

aircooled said:

spitfirebill said:

... I  felt she should have retired and enjoyed life, but, that was her call...

 

I kind of feel sad for for that, she was clearly struggling and getting rather feeble toward the end. Never had a retirement. Seemed super sharp to the end though.

I suspect if you asked her, she would have no interest or purpose in retirement anyway.  Some people are just like that.  I think with her husband gone, work was her life.

RIP I hope others will follow her example.

She had been “pressured” (in quotes because I’m not sure pressured is even remotely accurate, it may have been suggested or asked about the prospect) to think about resigning in 2013 - to keep politics out of this, look up the makeup of the senate to see why - and she basically said that she was going to go until she died, was 90, or was completely unable. 

Someone posted in this thread that the election just got more interesting. I hope its not floundering to say that is a move in the wrong direction. Its my most fervent wish that politics becomes boring, much much more boring. This usually means things are going pretty darn well. We need some of that. 

I have few friends or family I speak with on the other side of the fence, one of them I have had to tell over and over "we arent going to agree on politics, its a never ending argument, we are going to have a hard time being friends if you want to force discussion on that"

She devoted her life, and much much more of it than most devote to anything, to justice, the constitution and the betterment of society. Anyone who wants to come out belittling that, I have a hard time respecting. 

I keep reading this thread as RIP RGB. Keep thinking some computer lights died. 
 

Dyslexia at work again. 

Steve_Jones said:

The saddest part about it is how it became instantly political on both sides. No matter your beliefs/opinions/political views, let the woman be remembered and respected for a day or so. 
 

it's quite sad. 

Quite sad indeed. I was playing hockey Friday night, and arrived back in the locker room after playing to an alert on my phone that she had passed. I told a friend of mine sitting next to me, and he got so excited and happy about that news, and started chanting MAGA 2020, and a bunch of other nonsense about buying more guns and ammo. It was appalling, and quite eye opening. I lost a lot of respect for him in that moment.

To be fair, any time a sitting politician dies, it's a political thing, because there is a shift in political power. 

Supreme Court Justices are arguable one of the most powerful singular political figures. What's truly sad is that they are now viewed as political allies, rather than independent, unbiased, legal experts. The only justice to ever be impeached was done so out of questions of partisanship, mind you.

When a President dies, his VP might move up, or if they all went, it'd go down the chain, but when the next election rolls around, all those who ascended to power can be thrown out. 

The Justices, however, can leave a lasting influence on the court for decades. 

While I think it's unlikely that Ginsberg's wishes will be honored to delay the vote, it would be at least nice if a female Justice could be nominated. 

She had political leanings which were completely opposite to mine, including of the way in which she read the constitution.

By all accounts, she was honest and kind, generous and hard working. She definitely served our country with all she had. For that I respect her.

In reply to pheller :

That's the current thinking. \\\maybe politics but not really \\\ He is waiting for the funeral out of a show of respect (which may or may not be genuine, sure) and appointing someone this weekend, and he has said it would be a woman. He has four names or so, and he gave a couple already. Also, I doubt the accuracy of her reported last claims. She has always welcomed "opposing" judges to the bench during both republican and democrat administrations, including Trumps' picks.