HappyAndy wrote: Will 500s make it to the GRM challenge by 2020?
Given that you can already get a regular 2012 model with a clean title for $5k, I don't see why not.
HappyAndy wrote: Will 500s make it to the GRM challenge by 2020?
Given that you can already get a regular 2012 model with a clean title for $5k, I don't see why not.
After seeing the Gulia at the NAIAS I am in love. I really hope someone buys one just like this 
so I can get it when the lease is up.
This car stirs my loins.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fTnE_YbfW9w
Video starts at 28 seconds in. My god does this thing ever sound properly Italian.
I want to hear it under load. It sounds like it is a very slow revver, even though the tach shot says it aint.
Ear Porn.
Due in the US in 2015, no wait 2016, no wait 2017, no wait 2018, no wait...
Looks great and will drive great. Ergonomics will suck and it'll spontaneously combust at the worst moments. Two years after purchase it'll be worth about as much as an old dog turd.
alfadriver wrote: From the outside, the only difference between most cars is from the front wheel forward.
Then why do so many of them berk it up so badly?!
In reply to Duke:
Corporate "DNA" is how they will answer.
I just want the cars to look more different than each other. You would never mistake a 2002 with a GTV or a 510.
Now you are forced to see the nose just to be sure what you are looking at.
DaveEstey wrote: I'm mostly terrified that Chrysler and Alfa build quality have converged. At least its pretty when parked?
I work within that umbrella and well...
BUT there is one of the quadrafoligiosoohs parked in our building and it is awesome.
They're also coming out with a regular one that has a turbo 4 making 280 horsepower. I like how it's restrained, yet still carries the soul of the brand. You can even get the Ti model with an aero kit that makes it look a bit more like a Quadrifoglio.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Duke: Corporate "DNA" is how they will answer. I just want the cars to look more different than each other. You would never mistake a 2002 with a GTV or a 510. Now you are forced to see the nose just to be sure what you are looking at.
if I put a BMW E21, a Fiat 131, and a Datsun 510 together, you could see the differences between them. If you drove any of them down the street without emblems or the BMW corporate grill, everyone would think it was a 510
With the cash crunch issues that FCA is having now (per many customers my employer has who are singing the blues about this issue), I will be a bit surprised if the Alfa brand is around long enough to ever bring the mainstream 2018 version of this otherwise interesting car to the US market.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Duke: I just want the cars to look more different than each other.
And I'm on the other side of that fence. My first priority is that cars look good. If they look different is a distant second.
/edit/ I'm not saying the Alfa looks bad. It's actually quite pretty.
docwyte wrote: Looks great and will drive great. Ergonomics will suck and it'll spontaneously combust at the worst moments. Two years after purchase it'll be worth about as much as an old dog turd.
I am counting on this to happen. 
I've said many times here that I'm not a fan of cars with four doors. But this thing is so gorgeous I can completely over look it. I don't know how some say it looks too much like anything else, it looks like nothing else. It's immediately identifiable as being an Alfa, from any angle.
Without a doubt the best looking four door car ever created.
In reply to Nick (Bo) Comstock:
For me it's up there with the Gen 1 Mercedes CLS. Two very distinctive 4 door cars that look good from every angle and were a clear breakaway from everything else in the segment at the time.
Duke wrote:alfadriver wrote: In reply to Duke: I just want the cars to look more different than each other.And I'm on the other side of that fence. My first priority is that cars look good. If they look different is a distant second. /edit/ I'm not saying the Alfa looks bad. It's actually quite pretty.
To me, it doesn't look Alfa enough. The nose is unique, but that's it. It doesn't look bad, but it's not particularly that much better than anything else.
Maybe I should be more- it doesn't look Italian. It looks pretty generic hot hatch.
Even as recently as the 156, the car had more differences that looked really good than common ground vs. other cars. Where is Pininfarina on this, or Bertone? Or any other styling house?
Our 164 was different enough that it looked more tailored than just another 4 door sedan. That's what I hope for with Alfa.
IMHO, they can do better.
Given how the recent cars I've driven went, I do want more from them.
G_Body_Man wrote: In reply to Nick (Bo) Comstock: For me it's up there with the Gen 1 Mercedes CLS. Two very distinctive 4 door cars that look good from every angle and were a clear breakaway from everything else in the segment at the time.
IMHO the CLS will go down as one of the most beautiful 4 door cars of all time.
In reply to Flight Service:
Attractive, yes, though I don't like Mercedes really at all.
But what's it like getting in and out of that back seat? Is it like being in an escape pod once you've finally gotten your head tucked under the roofline?
In reply to Duke:
I have to admit, it's a bit better than a 2011-2015 Hyundai Sonata. The panoramic roof also adds airiness.
So when will GRM get one of these beauties to test out?
Duke wrote: In reply to Flight Service: Attractive, yes, though I don't like Mercedes really at all. But what's it like getting in and out of that back seat? Is it like being in an escape pod once you've finally gotten your head tucked under the roofline?
Getting in and out isn't the issue, it is being tall and sitting back there.
Think of it as the front is for people who ate their vegetables growing up and the rear for those who didn't/ladies.
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