Way way way way long shot.
But does anybody have any sort of idea on pricing a of 1936 Packard touring car inline 8 1406.
It was a pebble beach concours d'elegance best in make in the late 70's. Its a 8.5 out of 10 now just on neglect of the paint and some small bits of not perfect wood structure.
We do I just don't recall who...
This is GRM, someone will know.
Trans Mario, IIRC
Trans_Maro works in some super high end pre war restoration shop IIRC.
A 1406 should be a Twelve, not an eight.
If it really is a 1406 and it has an eight in it, something has gone amiss.
The 14th series cars are senior Packards so they will share the chassis with the twelve and it would be possible to put an eight in if the V12 was a problem.
If it's a Super Eight, it will have the same trim and bumpers as the Twelve, just a different engine.
If it's an Eight, it will have different trim and bumpers.
A Twelve in good condition would probably be in the $200-$400,000 range.
A Super Eight would be about $100-$150,000
Eights are around $60-100,000
120's are $20-$60,000
This is all depending on body style. Sporty bodies like Phaetons and Coupe Roadsters are the highest with Limousines and Formal Sedans at the bottom.
Also, check for body tags. If it has a custom body from a company like LeBaron, Dietrich or Rollston it will add a lot to the value.
Have you got any pictures?
Can you get me the numbers from the firewall tag?
Shawn (www.vintagerodshop.com)
Its a 1403 4 door, double . Got a bad imprint of the vin tag. I will load pictures up in the next couple hours once I get them hosted.
this is the body style. 
. It has full exterior luggage set though.
I have seen coupes like this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Packard-120-Club-BEAUTIFUL-OLDER-HIGH-QUALITY-RESTORATION-1939-PACKARD-120-CLUB-COUPE-RARE-DUEL-SIDE-/390777276814?forcerrptr=true&hash=item5afc24098e&item=390777276814&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
trade in the mid 30's and I prefer the 120 coupes, they also are supposed to drive a good bit better, but I finding one that is actually for sale at a realistic price is darn hard. The above in the mid 30's and I would jump.
The one in the picture is an Eight touring sedan, beautiful car for sure.
It has the smaller bumpers, the Super Eight and Twelve have the full split bumpers with the vibration damper cannisters at the ends.
It should have the 385 cube straight eight. We've got a Packard Victoria with that engine and it has plenty of power.
Being a '36, it should drive pretty nicely anyway. I -think- they went to IFS in 1935 but I can't be 100% sure. Not that any Packard really rides badly. "Slumming it" in a cheap Packard is still far better than the nicest Ford you could buy.
If it has a matching trunk with all the luggage, that can add a bit of value if it's in good shape. Packard was the only domestic maker to offer a matching trunk with the car. Other cars had trunk racks but the trunks and luggage were aftermarket.
The prices I quoted were what I would expect to pay at auction so don't forget to drop about 20% off the price to account for the buyers premium and sellers charges.
Well we are around the 32-35K range because I can pay cash and he wants out.
I see about 2-4K in just small cosmetic reconditioning costs and with my detail guy going nuts on getting it presentable. Tank needs to be dropped as well and resealed as our crappy gas is eating the old liner. Not the end of the world.
This has the split bumpers and the canisters at the end so super-8 to be sure. It also has all six original super eight cabs.
I might call the shop in a few days and see if pictures are enough for you guys to give me a idea on anything else that needs to be done. This would be going into my long term collection not for a flip like normal.
wearymicrobe wrote: Its a 1403 4 door, double . Got a bad imprint of the vin tag. I will load pictures up in the next couple hours once I get them hosted. this is the body style.
There's another one on eBay very similar to the car in the photo above, but the front doors are hinged conventionally instead of suicide-style. edit: the eBay car is a model 1603, with a buy it now price of $39,900.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Packard-Super-8-Senior-Packard-Senior-Packard-1938-Packard-1603-Super-8-Original-Suvivor-/390778115198
Keep this conversation going, it's fascinating.
The one on ebay is an "unrestored survivor" . Interesting. Should this add to the value?
Cool, sounds like you're getting a good deal on the car.
That's probably what he would see on the car even if it went to auction. Once you're done paying for it to be transported, cleaned, detailed, documented and then pay the sellers premium when it sells it really takes a toll on the final figure that the public sees it sell for.
The Super Eights are coming up in value, all the Twelves are owned by somebody and you usually wait for one to come available and pay a premium. Because of that, it's driving the lower cars higher.
As for an unrestored car it depends on the buyer and the state of the car.
The one on eBay is a good candidate for preservation, it looks to be in good condition. If the paint were burnt, interior trashed and had rust, it would be a different story.
The customer also has a lot of say. I would love to keep a car like that just the way it is but some guys only see an old , crusty car and want it restored.
Unfortunately, what they say is true. "It's only original once".
TRoglodyte wrote: The one on ebay is an "unrestored survivor" . Interesting. Should this add to the value?
Un-restored survivor at least to mean only has value in the really rare body-styles. The more common stuff unrestored just means more money in the long runm to keep it operational.
OK I have learned way to much about Packard's in the last couple days. I wish the history books on the make were not 100$ a piece minimum. As with everything though learning to much has put me off the car that I was originally interested in. It might take a few years but I am going to find a super-8 and jump when I get the chance.
If you think they're undervalued (or appreciating), why not pick this one up and sell it when the Super-8 becomes available?
My all time favorite car is a '38 Packard Super 8 convertible sedan. In green.
You can also check hemmings and prewarcar for additional market pricing.
Keith Tanner wrote: If you think they're undervalued (or appreciating), why not pick this one up and sell it when the Super-8 becomes available?
I could drop another 20-30K in and get a more desirable body style that is all.
Well, we have a 1931 845 Super 8 Rollston Victoria that may be available.
Shawn
Hey Trans-marro, does your shop have any need for a tig/welder or apprentice?
Catatafish wrote: Hey Trans-marro, does your shop have any need for a tig/welder or apprentice?
Not sure at the moment.
You can send the owner an e-mail from our website if you like.
Shawn
wearymicrobe wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: If you think they're undervalued (or appreciating), why not pick this one up and sell it when the Super-8 becomes available?I could drop another 20-30K in and get a more desirable body style that is all.
So your holding out for a coach built roadster or ...?
Dear Wearymicrobe,
I truly enjoy your what car threads.
That is all.
Toyman.
8)
Toyman01 wrote: Dear Wearymicrobe, I truly enjoy your what car threads. That is all. Toyman. 8)
+1. They are great.
I never post the un-fun stuff here. Like civic's, which is where the actual money really is. Just the fun stuff, and I rarely show the money sinking failures. IE my lust for a good 6spd vantage which has cost me at least 3K in inspections and gas. The 10 years I have spent trying to buy a old Marmon out of a old ladies backyard.
As for pricing I would love a fixed roof coupe, but I am at the wimm of the car gods as to what I can get a good deal on. I have spoken with a few Packard guys on the net and at the price point I would like to be at they are out there though rare. Their opinion is to sit on cash and wait for a good deal to just pop up instead of actually looking for a year and body style.
If I went with a 120 coupe I could do it tomorrow, but not a CCCA full classic car so resale in the long/long run will be tough. There are other cars out there that fit into the Packard mold that are a bit cheaper. Some of the rolls royce cars from the era can be had under 50K if you come across a really good deal, or one that just had a serious breakdown, and my family has a pretty long history with Cadillac from that era.
Its also got to fit in the garage that we have now. IE no longer then a 61 Cadillac
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