http://www.speedhunters.com/2016/08/goodbye-genesis-coupe-know/
Would rather see it stay where it is in the scope of things as opposed to moving up -which would make the company more money I suppose.
Make more money...if people bought them. They need lighter and cheaper. Take on the Frisbees and not the Mustangs.
Unless there new car spanks the competition performance wise all they are doing is becoming the laughing stock of the country club parking lot.
Also needs to be built better. Knew several people who had Genesises (Genesii?) and they all complained that the build quality was atrocious. The basic gist I got was that at first it was fun, and then you realized that the chassis and drivetrain and suspension were very sloppy, and then the interior started falling apart and you remember you bought a Hyundai. One of them bought his Genesis, drove it about 6 months, then parked it because everything squeaked and rattled and started falling apart and then traded it for a 350Z, which he said was a marked improvement.
The other thing, I hated (and this is subjective, obviously) was the styling. The first generation was fairly handsome but then it moved to that awful Hyundai corporate "buck-toothed melting catfish" styling philosophy.
^That bad? The atrocious quality of the interior is one of the reasons I owned a 350Z for 4 months.
IN 2010 I bought a 2006 Grand Touring, with only 23k miles the interior finishes were wearing off, seat bolsters would need replaced within a year (leather).......just miserable.
z31maniac wrote: ^That bad? The atrocious quality of the interior is one of the reasons I owned a 350Z for 4 months. IN 2010 I bought a 2006 Grand Touring, with only 23k miles the interior finishes were wearing off, seat bolsters would need replaced within a year (leather).......just miserable.
I don't know if he meant the interior, but I guess the car overall, as a whole, felt better, like the Genesis was an engineering prototype for the 350Z and the 350Z was the final finished product.
NickD wrote: Also needs to be built better. Knew several people who had Genesises (Genesii?) and they all complained that the build quality was atrocious. The basic gist I got was that at first it was fun, and then you realized that the chassis and drivetrain and suspension were very sloppy, and then the interior started falling apart and you remember you bought a Hyundai. One of them bought his Genesis, drove it about 6 months, then parked it because everything squeaked and rattled and started falling apart and then traded it for a 350Z, which he said was a marked improvement. The other thing, I hated (and this is subjective, obviously) was the styling. The first generation was fairly handsome but then it moved to that awful Hyundai corporate "buck-toothed melting catfish" styling philosophy.
I don't know...perhaps that's unique to the Genesis model. We've owned numerous Hyundai/Kia products, currently have two. None of them have had major quality control issues, or really any for that matter. Interiors stay well put together after tons of abuse (Sedona) and the quality feel remains. The chassis control is a bit soft and sloppy, or if it's well controlled, it's harsh riding. That's a well know issue for Hyundai/Kia. It's not a quality thing, it's a "they haven't figured out how to balance a good ride with handling" thing. I like the Genesis, and would have considered a used one in coupe form if I could have gotten the configuration I wanted (manual trans with certain options).
that is a shame about your friend's genesis. I had a 1st gen Tiburon and except for the hard plastic door panel cracking (and replaced under warranty) never had a single issue with creaking, squeaking, or rattling.
The suspension was weak though, I think my Disco could out corner it
I wonder if this means the Kia coupe gt concept is happening as a Hyundai. It was definitely a smaller, lighter chassis designed for a DI turbo 4 power plant as opposed to a 4 or 6.
I was going to say I've seen beat to E36 M3 Gen Coupes that the interior held up better than half the competition. No interior or rattling on any of our 4 Hy/Kia products. Doing the math, we've put ~450k miles on the 4 (cars themselves had ~610k combined) we have had and no interior or build issues what so ever.
I'm still hoping for a smaller, lighter Kia version of hte coupe.
I hope they decide a direction to go with it. I test drove one, very shortly, and to me it seemed like it was having an identity crisis. It was built on a luxury car chassis, but it had economy car appointments. It was a muscle car size without the power. It was like it looked at a Miata, G35/37 coupe, and Mustang, and said "Yeah, one of those!" and then fell on its face trying to decide which one.
Which was unfortunate because it was a decent car. It just didn't do anything any better than any of its competition.
I personally think they are a better big, affordable performance coupe than the (5th gen) Camaro and Mustang, so they may not be selling as many as they wanted since 'Merica, so Camaros and Mustangs still probably outsell them maybe 3:1. However, I haven't driven the new Mustang yet.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote: I personally think they are a better big, affordable performance coupe than the (5th gen) Camaro and Mustang, so they may not be selling as many as they wanted since 'Merica, so Camaros and Mustangs still probably outsell them maybe 3:1. However, I haven't driven the new Mustang yet.
Won't lie, the new mustang is pretty awesomesauce. The Gen Coupe always need to be either 500lbs lighter or have 150hp more. Either one would have made it so much better. Although that 3.8 is one of the sweetest sounding V6's on hte market IMO.
I drove a new v6 6mt mustang and that was a pretty awesome car. I haven't driven a Genesis though. I'm not sure I would cross-shop. The Genesis does not compare, looks-wise, to the new Mustang at all in my book. Looks are very subjective though.
In reply to Bobzilla: I disagree, the 3.8 Coupe is listed at 3389-3619 lbs, lighter than either the Camaro or Mustang. The E90 is listed at 3200-3400lbs for the 328i, the F30 at 3600lbs for the 335i. Dropping 500 lbs would put it in BRZ/FR-S and Cayman territory.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: I disagree, the 3.8 Coupe is listed at 3389-3619 lbs, lighter than either the Camaro or Mustang. The E90 is listed at 3200-3400lbs for the 328i, the F30 at 3600lbs for the 335i. Dropping 500 lbs would put it in BRZ/FR-S and Cayman territory.
I'm trying to see what the problem there is? a 330hp V6 RWD coupe that weighs 3k is a problem?
NickD wrote: In reply to dean1484: Uh, wrong thread? Or a metaphor for these cars?
That is just weird. That was a text I sent to my daughter about the new fishing rod she got me for my birthday. She got the text as well. Cell phone has been weird lately.
Bobzilla wrote:Mr_Clutch42 wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: I disagree, the 3.8 Coupe is listed at 3389-3619 lbs, lighter than either the Camaro or Mustang. The E90 is listed at 3200-3400lbs for the 328i, the F30 at 3600lbs for the 335i. Dropping 500 lbs would put it in BRZ/FR-S and Cayman territory.I'm trying to see what the problem there is? a 330hp V6 RWD coupe that weighs 3k is a problem?
The problem is 2500lbs 330hp V6 RWD coupe would be even more fun...
Klayfish wrote:Bobzilla wrote:The problem is 2500lbs 330hp V6 RWD coupe would be even more fun...Mr_Clutch42 wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: I disagree, the 3.8 Coupe is listed at 3389-3619 lbs, lighter than either the Camaro or Mustang. The E90 is listed at 3200-3400lbs for the 328i, the F30 at 3600lbs for the 335i. Dropping 500 lbs would put it in BRZ/FR-S and Cayman territory.I'm trying to see what the problem there is? a 330hp V6 RWD coupe that weighs 3k is a problem?
Well, yeah. Duh. That's when you removed the interior, AC and sound deadening and install Kirkey's. Geesh. Some of us like a comfortable DD.
I never liked the front end on either of the Genesis coupes. Side profile and rear end are good tho. That's mainly what killed it for me.
clutchsmoke wrote: I never liked the front end on either of the Genesis coupes. Side profile and rear end are good tho. That's mainly what killed it for me.
The first-gen wasn't terrible looking, but then the second gen had that awful corporate Hyundai styling with all the weird surfacing that made Chris Bangle's stuff look good (Actually, i liked Bangle's stuff to begin with). I'd like to see a Kia version with Kia's ultra-geometry styling, that'd probably be a lot better looking.
In reply to Bobzilla: I'm just saying that it would be similar to the BRZ/FR-S if they made a STi, it would be the high performance model/package that would cost around $6K+ more, and much of the general public would say that it's too much for such a small car, X car has close to the same power and be bigger, blah blah blah. Plus, Hyundai would beef up the trans, diff, and probably the chassis for durability so your 2700lb base Genesis Coupe would weigh close to 3000 lbs with the 3.8 V6. I just think that there's not a big enough market for what you're wanting, that's why there isn't a FRS/BRZ STi on sale right now with a 274hp turbo, and a direct competitor for it from another company.
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