My trusty Prius has never won over the affection of my wife. I've put a lot of love and care into it but she still dislikes it.
and as I move up in my career, as lame as it is, appearance of success matters.
so I've been entertaining the idea of getting a mid-sized wagon or suv that can haul my equipment but be really nice, especially on the inside.
I would prefer a plug-in hybrid that has 30+ mile range but the nice ones are pretty expensive.
I stumbled across the jaguar f-pace and was shocked that a 2019 is in the low $20's.
what am I missing?? Are they time bombs?
of equal interest is the xf sportbrake wagon.
any experience or thoughts? I need reliability and jaguar doesn't scream "drive me anywhere." I can work on it myself but if a lot is dealer-only, maybe not the droid for me.
15 year JLR master tech and foreman speaking here so I've been around them. They are great cars if maintained just like most. Ingenium 4&6 cylinder has a 21k maintenance interval so you want to use a oil flush every time (bg epr is what we always used). 3&5 litre need a eye kept on the cooling system. The crossovers like to leak and people don't fix it and then it blows up, if you get one that needs em I can walk you thru it. They all have a little shutter on sharp turns, it's normal. You can double flush the t box and make it way better and keep it from getting any worse. The door handles and latches can fail just like anything with retractable handles, kind of a pain in the ass but definitely did. Personally I love em, I know em well so I know the rumors are all from people who haven't ever made a career out of working on them, owned one, or even driven one. It's always my buddy's sisters cousin never serviced it so it's junk and they all are lol. Also look at the Range Rover Velar as it is the same exact car with different lights and grille. Fire away with any questions you may have.
Note that the F-Pace is an SUV and the F-Type is a 2-door sports coupe, your title has one and your post has another. They also make the I-Pace electric crossover.
GameboyRMH said:
Note that the F-Pace is an SUV and the F-Type is a 2-door sports coupe, your title has one and your post has another. They also make the I-Pace electric crossover.
Thanks, fixed. I meant the suv - sometimes I have to haul large pads and boxes. So it's an suv or wagon for us!
In reply to RonnieFnD :
Wow, well you're not doing anything to steer me away from them.....
help me with the engine selections. Forgive me, but all I care about with this car is reliability and fuel mileage. My z06 scratches my go-fast itch.
which engine would you recommend??
I really would like a great interior and stereo and I've heard good things about the jags. Any thoughts on what specific trim packages and/or years to seek or avoid??
In reply to jfryjfry :
Go for the ingenium 4 or inline 6. Reasonable fuel mileage, good power, and I think the 4 banger does just fine but it's gonna come down to whatever you can find. Go 19 and up if you can for better infotainment system and some updated electronics in the dash. Trim level doesn't really matter unless you can find a SVR but they are too expensive. It's basically wheel changes and cooled seats with massage as options. Low trim level Jag is still a Jag....nicer than most cars on the road. As far as the xf you has mentioned stay away, they look cool but that is a garbage leftover from the ford years.
https://www.autonation.com/cars/sadcm2fv4ka394555/jaguar-f-pace-2019
I just googled what was near where your location is set to. I know I said the little engines but 3.0 supercharged.....lol. these things haul ass and make good noises but can get thirsty on fuel.
Hey, I had one of those! Well... not really, I had it's less evil twin, the Range Rover Velar:
Pros:
- Supercharged 3.0 V6 made great noises, had tons of passing power, and the ZF 8-speed behind it was great.
- In a sea of generic gray SUV blobs, the details and styling really made it feel special, legit concept car detailing in the tailights and interior
- Had a useful tow rating (but never took advantage)
- Was a true do-it-all vehicle. With air suspension and some impressive software traction control, it was comfy in 10+ hour road trip stints, carved twisty mountain roads in sport, and made it up and through multiple ATV and jeep trails with ease.
- Heated/cooled seats and heat steering wheel spoiled me
Cons:
- Not a lot of DIY community, or indy repair shops, pretty much just took it to the $tealership.... and their waiting room had Cigar Afficiando Magazine
- The aforementioned cooling crossover lines burst 500 miles from home in the middle of a Sunday night. Was able to keep it full of water to limp it home stopping every 20 mins.
- In two years, I had more than $3k in 'software updates' installed to fix minor issues
- Depreciated like a rock
- Last straw was a small strip of LEDs in the headlight that went out and could only be replaced with a $5k headlight, and insurance wouldn't cover it.
^here it is at the top of a jeep trail/creek crossing, 22" tires and everything, more than a "softroader"
They were in the 40s new, so low 20s is what I'd expect a 5 year old one to be. I know a few owners and none have had any issues, all dealer serviced though.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
Well, to be fair they were $45-65 but I agree with you that the current pricing is where it should be.
but when you look at the same year Lexus rx450h, with a similar msrp, you'll find they are about $10k more than a comparable f-pace.
im happy to be proven wrong as I really like Toyota's reliability and would love some ev range from a plug-in. But I can't help but come back to these jags (and maybe the Land Rover) at $10k less
In reply to jfryjfry :
So I've done used car inspections on several lexus rx450s. Great cars but I can't stand the 1989 Toyota corolla feel I get from the interior. 1989 Corolla is a awesome car in 1989 Corolla form.....not expensive suv form. Go drive a Jag. The dealer I worked at was bought out so I left and went to Audi/Alfa Romeo and this makes me even more confident in saying there is absolutely no equal to a JLR product. If you drive one you will understand.
In reply to jfryjfry :
I guess the question is are you finding the $45k ones for low 20s or the $65k ones? That's also the sticker price. In this area they were selling well below that before Covid. You could buy one in the high 30s as crazy as that seems.
The rx450h will sell for more because, Lexus, Hybrid, and they never sold under MSRP, so one that stickered for $50k was a $50k car, the $50k Jaguar sold for $43k, so it was already $7k cheaper.
All that said, the Lexus will run forever and be the reliable car you're looking for but boring as E36 M3. Personally I'd save the $10k and at least like spending time in something. I'd bet you won't eat up the $10k in repairs, so why not enjoy it?
I took a look at some of the land rovers and they seem to be at that $10k over the jag's price as well.
which is fine, as I like that the jags are fewer and further between and I completely relate to Steve's statement of saving the money, enjoying the car.
I just think that having a more "adult" car can only help when I pull up to interviews or to set vs a cute light blue gen 2 Prius worth the value of the jag's entertainment system.
In reply to jfryjfry :
In your game my guess is G-wagon is the car to bee seen with. They have looked pretty much the same for years so people will buy "old ones" in hopes that they look new-er. Unfortunately, they never really get cheap.
In that same vein, the Porsche Cayenne has looked the same for many years. Do they ever get cheap-er?
Lesser but similar, the Infiniti QX56/QX80 has looked the same since 2011. However, the 5.6L is thirsty but does have a big towing capacity (like 7 or 8,000 lbs). Of course, follow up question, "is Infiniti classy enough for your game?"
I'm not disliking the Jag, just offering additional suggestions.
In reply to John Welsh :
Yeah... I get the G wagon thing but awful fuel mileage and more truck than competent handling luxury SUV. The Jag badge still carries an air of luxury and sophistication.
Also this thread has me checking them out.
Similar boat, wife told me again how much she hates my car. I am looking at similar vehicles and would love a Jaaag but it is way too wide for my garage door. I am looking at Mercedes GLB at similar price point. Wife wants a XC60, but Jag is just that bit of exclusivity. Although I don't think the Volvo will fit any better. I have to look at the F Pace.
I like the inside of the xc60 a lot. Looks good outside in red too. The t6 engine I'd want scares me a bit since it is both turbo and supercharged. The infotainment is kinda meh. If you get one, look for the upgrade burmeister sound system. They don't carry a big premium used.
I drove the Cayenne, I liked it okay. not especially fast, but the hybrids are surprisingly cheap if you want better gas mileage for short trips. The macan s I was underwhelmed. Even in sport mode it wasn't as sharp as I expected. x3 I enjoyed, especially as a m40, but its fairly small. Maybe too small and I'd like to tow at least 5k lbs. The GLC amg 43 was a fun little car. However I didn't think it worth the premium I was seeing. The transmission in sport + was great. Last one was the x5 40i. I like the power delivery a lot. (b58) will tow 7k. Better gas mileage than most suv that size. I'd the the process of trying to make a deal on one.
Curious what kind of job you have that this kind of appearance carries weight? I've worked for VPs and high ranking people in Fortune 100 companies that drive Corollas (matched their personality tbh). Realtor?
I don't have anything to contribute other than "JAAAAAAAAGGGGG" in Jeremy Clarkson's voice.
