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Raze
Raze Dork
8/16/11 6:12 p.m.

I've been doing some reading over at Viper Truck Club of America, and Viper Alley (can't stand this forum due to the meatheadedness of the posts, and I can dish it with the best of them, but it's pretty silly). I've figured out some fact of interest to me:

Produced 2004-2006

2004 - Regular Cab only, 6 speed only, can not be used to tow, has to do with suspension and clutch, front brakes have 2 piece 2 piston calipers.

2005 - Regular Cab and Quad Cab, Reg Cabs came w/6 speeds can tow 2000 lbs, QCs came with automatics and can tow 7000lbs, both got monobloc 4 piston front calipers

2006 - Body changes - unpainted plastic door handles, slight change to front, interior change (looks worse and cheaper IMO), not changes to performance between 2005.

Based on this info I'm thinking a 2005 would be the sweet spot as it has the couple nice upgrades I'd want without the crappy looking interior.

Has anyone on the forum had one? What issues besides an expensive motor do they really have? Thanks

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
8/16/11 8:01 p.m.

I don't have much to add, but I saw one at the NASA track weekend at Mid Ohio on Sunday evening. It made me chuckle.

dogbreath
dogbreath Reader
8/16/11 8:12 p.m.

I worked on a few and each one had a leaking heater core. Not a very difficult dashboard to remove :)

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero HalfDork
8/16/11 8:24 p.m.
Raze
Raze Dork
8/16/11 8:33 p.m.

In reply to Strike_Zero:

That video more or less sealed it for me when I saw it earlier today, thanks for the reminder...

Grtechguy
Grtechguy SuperDork
8/16/11 8:58 p.m.
Strike_Zero wrote: I'll leave this right here . . .

I was expecting this one

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero HalfDork
8/16/11 9:08 p.m.

I wasn't going to spoil it for Raze

a401cj
a401cj Reader
8/16/11 9:08 p.m.

In reply to Grtechguy:

"Oh $hit, Oh berkeley,...that's not berkeleying good..."

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/16/11 9:38 p.m.

Tires are so freakin not cheap!!! I had one trust me.

Also get a 05 lowest mileage possible, the black paint is terrible. the hoods and front valance are theft targets but with the newer trucks having the hood it has gone down.

they can tow absolutely nothing or you will destroy the clutch. The automatics are torque restricted to keep the transmission together and the bands need to be adjusted internally.

They are a hooligans truck

Grizz
Grizz Reader
8/16/11 9:56 p.m.

Question:

Which is going to end up being cheaper? An SRT10, or an older shortbed ram with a Viper drivetrain, and seriously upgraded suspension and brakes?

Because I know which would be more fun: Plus = Good times.

dogbreath
dogbreath Reader
8/16/11 10:01 p.m.

If you find a junkyard with a flat rate for engines and wait patiently for them to get a Viper...

Grizz
Grizz Reader
8/16/11 10:11 p.m.

Never happen. My great uncle has a junkyard, and refused to let me anywhere near the 2 vipers he bought at auctions.

Although I did catch him doing a nice burnout on a back road once.

Those V10s sound wickedly awesome.

E: Cheaper than a Hemi.... http://compare.ebay.com/like/200633016489

BoostedBrandon
BoostedBrandon Reader
8/16/11 10:54 p.m.

Slight threadjack, what's the difference between the truck V10 of the mid nineties, and a viper engine of the same vintage?

Osterkraut
Osterkraut SuperDork
8/16/11 11:03 p.m.
BoostedBrandon wrote: Slight threadjack, what's the difference between the truck V10 of the mid nineties, and a viper engine of the same vintage?

13 places on the periodic table.

Grizz
Grizz Reader
8/16/11 11:15 p.m.
BoostedBrandon wrote: Slight threadjack, what's the difference between the truck V10 of the mid nineties, and a viper engine of the same vintage?

Iron block, didn't rev as much(I think), less hp.

Other than that, same sound, and tons of torque.

Travis_K
Travis_K SuperDork
8/16/11 11:30 p.m.

I once talked to someone with a short bed srt-10 when they first came out, I believe he said he was getting 8 mpg on 91 octane fuel. If you can deal with that and the ram driver stereotype, it sounds like that would be fun.

Grizz
Grizz Reader
8/17/11 12:42 a.m.

What, exactly, is the Ram driver stereotype?

Vigo
Vigo Dork
8/17/11 1:16 a.m.

I was never attracted to the single cabs. The quad cabs are about 100000% better in my eyes.

Cant tow with a clutch = cant use clutch. Burn up a clutch that was warrantied to hold 500+tq for years while going 6 mph = cant use clutch. This is not rocket science.

The v10 lil red express has been done, and boosted.

Difference between 90s ram v10 and srt-10 is one makes power to 6k rpm, one makes power to 4k rpm. Basically.

mtn
mtn SuperDork
8/17/11 1:31 a.m.

I want a Midnight Express instead of a Lil' Red Express.

Travis_K
Travis_K SuperDork
8/17/11 1:41 a.m.

In reply to Grizz:

Full opposite lock u turns on public roads, a foot off your back bumper with the high beams on 10 mph over the speed limit when the traffic in other lanes is too heavy and slow to merge and let them by, 75 mph passes in a blind corner with a raised middle finger out the window on a 25 mph road, full throttle as soon as someone in an adjacent lane turns their turn signal on, etc. I think there was already a post about this actually. The more good drivers who own them the better, but I very much dislike the driving habits of many of the people attracted to the hemi era mopars.

RossD
RossD SuperDork
8/17/11 7:22 a.m.

What about the Durango with a viper engine that Petersons 4 Wheel Mag is/was building? Think of it as a "how to".

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/projectbuild/131_0910_1999_dodge_durango_viper_v10_engine_heavy_metal_mudder_phase_2/index.html

Grizz
Grizz Reader
8/17/11 9:51 a.m.
Travis_K wrote: In reply to Grizz: Full opposite lock u turns on public roads, a foot off your back bumper with the high beams on 10 mph over the speed limit when the traffic in other lanes is too heavy and slow to merge and let them by, 75 mph passes in a blind corner with a raised middle finger out the window on a 25 mph road, full throttle as soon as someone in an adjacent lane turns their turn signal on, etc. I think there was already a post about this actually. The more good drivers who own them the better, but I very much dislike the driving habits of many of the people attracted to the hemi era mopars.

That sounds like pretty much every shiny happy person I've ever dealt with on the road, and very few of them were in dodges of any kind.

a401cj
a401cj Reader
8/17/11 1:00 p.m.
Grizz wrote:
Travis_K wrote: In reply to Grizz: Full opposite lock u turns on public roads, a foot off your back bumper with the high beams on 10 mph over the speed limit when the traffic in other lanes is too heavy and slow to merge and let them by, 75 mph passes in a blind corner with a raised middle finger out the window on a 25 mph road, full throttle as soon as someone in an adjacent lane turns their turn signal on, etc. I think there was already a post about this actually. The more good drivers who own them the better, but I very much dislike the driving habits of many of the people attracted to the hemi era mopars.
That sounds like pretty much every shiny happy person I've ever dealt with on the road, and very few of them were in dodges of any kind.

exactly ^^

Never encountered Ram drivers displaying any more or less asshatery than anyone else

coll9947
coll9947 Reader
8/17/11 1:09 p.m.

All I know is while they were in production they had the title of least fuel efficient vehicle for sale in the USA.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/17/11 1:50 p.m.
Travis_K wrote: I once talked to someone with a short bed srt-10 when they first came out, I believe he said he was getting 8 mpg on 91 octane fuel. If you can deal with that and the ram driver stereotype, it sounds like that would be fun.

11 on the freeway for me 6 in the city. Add in really expensive oil changes and high dollar/mile cost on tires and they are NOT cheap to operate.

Also my insurance company had them in a higher risk category then my actual viper. ~2200$ a year full coverage, viper was only 1150$.

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