So I'm considering a Maverick. Don't know whether to go macho-man AWD with offroad package or hybrid. Leaning hybrid. I've never owned a domestic car (Let's face it, the Maverick is a car in truck garb) newer than 1974, but I have extensive experience with full-sized domestic trucks and vans.
I just don't know what to expect in terms of reliability. I've owned a number of Mazda, Honda and Toyota products, and they've always been pretty well bulletproof till I've turned them over somewhere between 100k and 150k miles. Generally I've ignored the dealerships unless it's been something like the airbag recall.
So from a reliability standpoint, what's the Maverick experience likely to be like over a 10-12 year ownership period?
Being a Ford, I'd expect an occasional little problem, but hopefully nothing major. Ford's hybrid system (based on Toyota's system) has proven extremely reliable. I'd assume there's more risk of issues with the Ecoboost AWD, but that is in so many vehicles that I'd hope they have it right now.
My biggest potential problem with owning a Ford long term is their tendency to clear out inventory of spares as soon as they are allowed (7 years, I think) after production ends. However, the Maverick looks like it is going to prove popular enough that the aftermarket will certainly step up for anything critical.
its a ford, its techy therefore = problems. when they reinvent the wheel they forget to keep it round. They seem to have become the VW of North America.
#iwork4gm
fidelity101 said:
its a ford, its techy therefore = problems. when they reinvent the wheel they forget to keep it round. They seem to have become the VW of North America.
#iwork4gm
Except none of the tech here is new. Both drivetrains are straight out of vehicles that have been in production for like 5-10 years.
Same thing for service parts, I'd guess both drivetrains will be in production until they stop making ICEs altogether so getting parts shouldn't be an issue.
I am holding off until the new Colorado gets here. I like the idea of the Hybrid but it's only available in 2wd and if I am going to off my 21 Silverado it will be for a 4wd. The idea of the 2.7T in a smaller truck makes me happy.
The Maverick is definitely on my list though.
QuasiMofo (John Brown) said:
I am holding off until the new Colorado gets here. I like the idea of the Hybrid but it's only available in 2wd and if I am going to off my 21 Silverado it will be for a 4wd. The idea of the 2.7T in a smaller truck makes me happy.
The Maverick is definitely on my list though.
I'm kind of having the same debate. But considering the colorado is $10k more and will use way more fuel (even compared to the ecoboost) it's hard to justify until I need a "real" truck. The ecoboost maverick is definitely not slow, and honestly the fwd isn't much of a detraction but I can understand wanting awd. That's the other thing I'm struggling with, I would like awd but I don't think it's worth the cost on the maverick.
fidelity101 said:
#iwork4gm
I mean... glass houses and all that. 
In reply to dps214 :
I live on a dirt road in Michigan. I thought I was enough of a man's man to drive a 2wd Crew Cab in February. I was wrong. I am not.
My 2wd Silverado has gotten 21.7mpg over 25k miles of service. I'm not unhappy with that at all. If the new 2.7T 4wd Coloranyon gets that I would be very pleased, if not the AWD Maverick may be the ticket for me.
Isn't the Colorado more in competition with the Ranger than the Maverick?
eastsideTim said:
Being a Ford, I'd expect an occasional little problem, but hopefully nothing major. Ford's hybrid system (based on Toyota's system) has proven extremely reliable. I'd assume there's more risk of issues with the Ecoboost AWD, but that is in so many vehicles that I'd hope they have it right now.
My biggest potential problem with owning a Ford long term is their tendency to clear out inventory of spares as soon as they are allowed (7 years, I think) after production ends. However, the Maverick looks like it is going to prove popular enough that the aftermarket will certainly step up for anything critical.
I know people like to say that the hybrid system is some toyota thing- it's not. What it is- is a parallel development that was slightly behind Toyota that reached the same design, so that Ford has to pay some patent royalties for the ideas. Well, in theory- in reality, what actually happened is that we just traded some licensing.
I have been directly involved with this kind of thing but for some engine controls. And, interestingly enough, it was also with Toyota.
So the reliability is all Ford parts that is doing it. And it's remarkably a simple powertrain, too.
If the hybrid was rated to tow 3000 instead of 2000lb, I'd be very much interested in getting one. Even better if the Escape was upped from 1500 to 3000lb.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
fidelity101 said:
#iwork4gm
I mean... glass houses and all that.
paychecks are one thing, what I drive is totally different haha
its just a perk of the job to trash talk ford.
It's an interesting question. New car designs often have teething problems on the first generation or so until they've figured things out once cars are in the hands of consumers. Although much of the components of the Maverick are used in other vehicles, it is unique in how the packaging is put together.
Are you thinking about a new one in the next few months or a new one when the 2023's are available? I ask because I wonder if these year models of cars (for all manufacturers) will have more issues because of the problems with supply lines and, specifically, the chips. I'm guessing they're going to other suppliers to meet demands, which could cause issues with unfamiliarity of build quality as those suppliers also get caught back up.
10-12 years for me 5 years ago would be 200k+ miles on the car. Today, I'm probably traveling less than 10k miles a year. Any idea of what you expect for mileage? At my 10k miles a year right now, I'd just be out of warranty in 5 years on the powertrain. I, like most on this board, would be keeping up with maintenance, so there's a good chance that any major defects would crop up prior to the warranty ending. So, chances are good with the Maverick, as with almost any new car, that 100k miles would be easy to do with little issues.
-Rob
Fords are pretty boring, they never break.
Posting here because a Hybrid is #1 on my list for next new car, but waiting until I can order one. They seem to be based on pretty standard and well proven Ford designs. I see plenty of Ford Hybrids and Escapes with a gagillion miles on them for sale.
The thing I am most interested in knowing about these is what the rear suspension on the 2wd models is like. Most I have seen are AWD, which has a different rear suspension.
With a 1500lb capacity, I assume there is a fair amount of travel there and lowering one an in or two is no big deal. But I would love to see that confirmed.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The water pump in the Ford 3.7 engine went out prior to 80k miles. It's timing chain driven and you have to remove the engine to replace it. The replacement went out about 30k miles later.
We dumped the car.
The drivetrain in the non-hybrid and hybrid models have been used for awhile and all of their issues/quirks are documented (see the ecoboost typical problems). The Maverick is also based on a platform that has been around for a bit as well. Should they be reliable? I can't see why not. Ford quality control isn't top notch though and they seem to be the masters of recalls on new models though.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The water pump in the Ford 3.7 engine went out prior to 80k miles. It's timing chain driven and you have to remove the engine to replace it. The replacement went out about 30k miles later.
We dumped the car.
Fortunately this is not related to those Edge/Explorer vehicles. I had two apart just this week (engine in Edge failed because the guy ignored a failed cat until it broke up and sent debris into a cylinder, killing compression, and the other was a rear main seal/oil pan leak, doing the oil pan requires moving the trans away from the engine so we just did them both)
The only thing I can think of as being an issue is the Escapes have an update happening with the rack and pinion. Looks like the same unit as Focus, Transit, etc. I had one fail (was binding HARD internally - took more effort to turn the steering wheel even with the wheels off the ground than my RX-7 with a depowered rack and 2:1 quickener) and there were some number in the dealer net, but they were not allowed to sell them because they were the old design, and there were 1200 people on the waiting list for the updated racks to show up.
ProDarwin said:
The thing I am most interested in knowing about these is what the rear suspension on the 2wd models is like. Most I have seen are AWD, which has a different rear suspension.
With a 1500lb capacity, I assume there is a fair amount of travel there and lowering one an in or two is no big deal. But I would love to see that confirmed.
The fwd models have a twist beam rear, you can see it in the online configurator. I test drove both and couldn't tell an appreciable difference in ride or handling between them.
Useful information, thanks. I was talking to a sales manager and told him that I couldn't abide the additional markups. He basically said that lot sales were for suckers. That if I would lay down a deposit and was willing to wait 3 months he'd sell me a XLT hybrid at MSRP. Hmmmmm. I did the math and based on 15000 miles/yr and $5/gallon California gas I'd save around $185/month.
And in other news, a Maverick ST mule may have been spotted buzzing around the test track in Dearborn. Big arches, wider tires, dual exhaust tips, likely AWD... hnnng
rslifkin said:
Isn't the Colorado more in competition with the Ranger than the Maverick?
Yes, technically as well as the Tacoma, the Nissan and Honda. Honestly none of the others interest me. I do like the power train in my Silverado. It pushes that giant brick VERY well. I wish it was in everything. If I had unlimited funds I would build an early Chevy II/Nova with one. And a Chevette. And a NA Miata. And an Exocet. And an S10...
Never fly the A model of anything. I want one. Just not the first few years.
In reply to tremm :
The thing was they WERE moving cars. A LOT of them. SUVs and trucks have lower efficiency requirements and were more profitable.
tremm said:
I love the idea of the maverick. I don't love ford. Doesn't give me confidence when a manufacturer can't move cars and has to vacate the market.
We don't hear nearly as much chatter about the Santa Cruz, the Maverick competitor.
BAMF
HalfDork
4/9/22 8:56 a.m.
QuasiMofo (John Brown) said:
In reply to tremm :
The thing was they WERE moving cars. A LOT of them. SUVs and trucks have lower efficiency requirements and were more profitable.
And if you are looking at a product roadmap strategy that includes different power train technologies, consolidating your development efforts is extremely sensible.
I'm hoping they will offer an EV (or at least PHEV) version soon with the ability to tow 4,000 lb. That would be a perfect next vehicle for me.
