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RedGT
RedGT HalfDork
2/2/17 7:58 a.m.

So I've stumbled across one of these for well under challenge money, in no-rust always garaged good-running condition. It's parked next to a 80's 911 so the seller isn't an idiot. Price seems way too cheap. Anything in particular to look out for with these cars? I've found some threads on 944's...and 924S's....but nothing on these old 1980 turbo 924's.

How bad is the Porsche (vw? audi?) tax on parts? Is 125k miles 'all used up and needs a turbo'?

Is selling a $1500 Miata for a $1500 porsche a really horrible idea?

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
2/2/17 8:01 a.m.

I have no advice to offer, but it would be cool to see a Porsche do well at the challenge.

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
2/2/17 8:06 a.m.
RedGT wrote: Is selling a $1500 Miata for a $1500 porsche a really horrible idea?

Yes

drop mic... /thread

DWNSHFT
DWNSHFT HalfDork
2/2/17 8:08 a.m.

Tread carefully. 1980 was the first year for the 924 turbo and there are some (many?) parts that are unique to that year, including the transmission. Also, 1981 was when Porsche figured out that more compression plus less boost makes more power under the curve with less turbo lag. 1980, well, less compression plus more boost is very exciting...

RedGT
RedGT HalfDork
2/2/17 10:40 a.m.

Thanks for the input. There's a point at which anything is 'cheap enough' and this might be at that point for me.

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
2/2/17 3:24 p.m.
Is selling a $1500 Miata for a $1500 porsche a really horrible idea?

I dunno man but i traded my $400 NA Miata (running/driving) for a microsquirted 924 that i got running and then traded sans-MS for a new set of Hankook RS-3s to put on my Dodge Caravan.

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture PowerDork
2/2/17 3:30 p.m.

IIRC a fair amount of the 924 Turbo parts are NLA. I remember hearing something about crank sensors being worth a fortune since there are none left, they fail periodically and the car won't run without one. However someone like Stefan (turboswede) or Dean (dean1484) would know more, I presume they will be in shortly with advice.

RedGT
RedGT HalfDork
2/2/17 3:53 p.m.

... I was second in line to see it. First guy was going to see it at 2pm and at 2:04 I received an email that it is sold.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
2/2/17 3:56 p.m.

Some people say that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche.

Im not necessarily one of them, but people do say that.

You may have gotten lucky on acident

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Dork
2/2/17 3:57 p.m.
RedGT wrote: ... I was second in line to see it. First guy was going to see it at 2pm and at 2:04 I received an email that it is sold.

Whew, you dodged that bullet in the nick of GRM time!

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
2/2/17 4:00 p.m.

I've always had a big crush on the looks of the 924 Turbo, but they are not an inexpensive mistress to keep. They also aren't very good performers--- an N/A 944 or 924s will outrun one, and be much more reliable and durable.

They are a nice dream.....but I plan on keeping them just that. Now a 924 Turbo with an LS, or other engine swap.....now we're talking!

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/2/17 4:06 p.m.
pointofdeparture wrote: IIRC a fair amount of the 924 Turbo parts are NLA. I remember hearing something about crank sensors being worth a fortune since there are none left, they fail periodically and the car won't run without one. However someone like Stefan (turboswede) or Dean (dean1484) would know more, I presume they will be in shortly with advice.

1980 is a S1 or Series 1 turbo and used a mostly standard 924 NA distributor and ignition box, so no stupidly hard to find ignition sensor. Bodies were all galvanized starting in 1979, so rust isn't usually an issue.

The Series 2 had the more advanced ignition system and a round throttle body that was shared with the 944 so its rebuildable as the older Audi dual-plate units are not and they tend to leak after years of use and abuse. Luckily the intake and throttle body swap over and it makes adding an intercooler much, much easier as well.

Engines are interference, so replace the $11 timing belt before cranking it over.

Turbos are KKK units and very robust, upgrades can be performed using 944 Turbo pieces. Wastegates are the same as used on the 930. Exhaust manifolds like to crack, they all do, if it isn't bad don't sweat it and only repair it if you've got it apart and can have it ceramic coated to help with heat issues. Series 2 changed the alloy of the casting, but it still cracks just not as bad.

Bosch CIS injection can be a major pain to resurrect, generally plan on replacing all of the rubber under the hood to seal up any vacuum leaks after pulling the fuel system apart to clean it all up if it has sat at all. MegaSquirt isn't a difficult job to install and about the same money as a CIS rebuild, plus it cleans up the intake path and engine bay.

Electrical connections, especially grounds, generally cause many of the issues on these cars. Expect to spend time going over each one with fine sandpaper/polish/cleaner and electrical grease to get everything working again.

1980 had a Porsche 911 derived "dogleg" transaxle, which is actually one of the strongest units available as far as torque load capacity. The syncros are a bit weak and people rush the shifts and damage them, especially when the linkage falls apart and makes the shifts more sloppy. So tread lightly once it is running and driving until it warms up. Mechanical sympathy is your friend here.

Most of the NLA parts are either worked around or being resolved via group buys on the 924board.org which is one of the best resources for these cars.

A friend of mine runs a 1980 924 Turbo in ChumpCar and won the recent championship race in Vegas with it. He built his own exhaust manifold and used a Subaru derived turbo with MegaSquirt and stock ignition. The car itself is mostly stock with just a few improvements here and there to the suspension. He also has a 914 autocrosser that's powered by a Subaru turbo engine, and Lotus Elise suspension, its a beast.

UBootRennenWerks

I like my 924, they are very good cars and make great vintage cruisers in the vein of an old BMW 2002, just a bit faster and more practical (hatchbacks rule). The steering is manual and very communicative and the car itself is a matter of something that is better than the sum of its parts should be.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/2/17 4:10 p.m.

In reply to Joe Gearin:

Yeah, except the 924 Turbo is actually faster than the 944 NA, it just requires someone who can actually drive it to get the most out of it.

That said, a 924 Turbo won the ChumpCar West Coast championship, so there is still life in that Audi lump.

Nevermind the fact that without the 924 or 924 Turbo, Porsche would have folded completely, let alone develop the 944 and 944 Turbo based off the 924 Chassis (many of the body and suspension parts interchange).

The cars aren't expensive to own, provided you take care of them and actually drive them. When they sit, the CIS systems tend to gum up and then the problems begin and many can't fathom the exploded carb that is CIS (I don't blame them, its a PITA to deal with).

Tyler H
Tyler H UltraDork
2/2/17 6:23 p.m.

I got roasted last time I said anything bad about CIS, so I'm waiting for the apologists to show up.

For $1500 you missed out on a deal....but a great deal more would have been required.

An interesting vintage car for $1500 is good. But a Miata is an interesting vintage car, and you have one.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/2/17 6:44 p.m.

In reply to Tyler H:

I'm with you. CIS is an interesting solution to the issues found with carburetors that lasted way, way too long in production.

RedGT
RedGT HalfDork
2/2/17 9:03 p.m.
Tyler H wrote: An interesting vintage car for $1500 is good. But a Miata is an interesting vintage car, and you have one.

I have two! But i miss my Alfa GTV6 and have been looking for something interesting to replace the 'winter miata' come summer. This would have been great. Frankly most of the comments I read and thought 'eh, no worse than the Alfa.'

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/2/17 9:35 p.m.

In reply to Stefan:

You covered it. Re the sensors there are ones for BMW 5 series from the late 80's that are the same with a slightly shorter wire on them. And they are cheaper. In stock at rock auto.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/2/17 10:13 p.m.

In reply to dean1484:

Yeah, I can barely remember my anniversary, but I can recite a bunch of info about the Porsche 924 series from memory on a message board.

Billy_Bottle_Caps
Billy_Bottle_Caps Dork
2/3/17 4:02 p.m.

Thanks for all the good info guys. I have a couple 944's, but never had an early 924 Turbo. If one pops up, I won't be afraid to pursue it now

BBC

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
2/4/17 9:36 a.m.
RedGT wrote: ... I was second in line to see it. First guy was going to see it at 2pm and at 2:04 I received an email that it is sold.

What's his GRM username

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
2/4/17 9:39 a.m.
Tyler H wrote: I got roasted last time I said anything bad about CIS, so I'm waiting for the apologists to show up.

When CIS works good, it works really, really good. When CIS is bad, it's horrid.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/4/17 1:30 p.m.

CIS also cost $$$$$$ if you have to replace things. I remember seeing somewhere that it was MUCH cheaper to change over to an MS even with completely new injectors and some significant changes to the intake. I think all in they were at something like 1k for the MS change over and the replacement parts for the CIS was approaching 2K.

RedGT
RedGT HalfDork
2/5/17 7:05 a.m.
Knurled wrote:
RedGT wrote: ... I was second in line to see it. First guy was going to see it at 2pm and at 2:04 I received an email that it is sold.
What's his GRM username

Idunno but based on what the seller had told me, someone in "Chalfont or Westchester or somewhere down there" has a shiny new 924 Turbo.

markwemple
markwemple UltraDork
2/5/17 10:27 a.m.

931s are, by far, the least reliable Porsche ever made, and I can't imagine them being worth anything for the near future.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/5/17 11:53 a.m.

In reply to markwemple: As usual, you're wrong, but that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

People like Magnus Walker and others are buying 931's.

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