In reply to 03Panther :
Your not confused; 100 years is just to long ago for me to consider it outdated vs wrong.
I did say I was being pedantic.
In reply to 03Panther :
Your not confused; 100 years is just to long ago for me to consider it outdated vs wrong.
I did say I was being pedantic.
Tom1200 said:In reply to 03Panther :
Your not confused; 100 years is just to long ago for me to consider it outdated vs wrong.
I've always been accused of having a very old soul! And most of everything I've ever learned, was from mentors that were raised during the Great Depression. So yea, I'm on the outdated side of that thought!
I still think "Decimated" does NOT mean "to utterly destroy" just 'cause most young people use it wrong.
I did say I was being pedantic.
you keep repeat that, but we must have different definitions there, as well
Now, back to the regularly scheduled thread topic 
I tend to pre-fill filters that install upright, but not worry about it much for ones that install at messy angles.
Time to fill the filter varies widely between engines anyway and some are very quick. The cartridge filter on the BMW can't be pre-filled (it drains to the oil pan until the cap is screwed down) and it does take a couple seconds for oil pressure to come up after start. The Jeep usually takes 2 - 3 seconds to build pressure with a dry filter, a little less if it's partly filled (can't fully fill it due to angle).
SWMBO's Camry filter goes on at a slight downward angle, so no pre-fill. Last time I changed the oil in it, the oil light was off by the time the engine fired (it's a fairly small filter), so I don't think the time to fill is an issue on that one. Pre-filling makes a noticeable difference with the 454s in the boat (remote filters, installed upright). If installed empty, it's a concerning few seconds at idle before the pressure gauges start to climb. Pre-filled, the oil pressure comes up at most a second slower than a normal start.
In reply to rslifkin :
Oh yeah, I forgot front drive Caddy 4100/4500/4900. With the oil filter over the transmission. Those, I would prefill a bit, because after a hundred thousand miles or so, those engines would not build oil pressure after an oil change without some assist.
It feels backwards to REV an engine that has no oil pressure and is starting to knock, but sometimes you had to for the pump to pick up oil!
To be fair to those engines, they usually developed cylinder liner leaks long before they had oil pressure issues 
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to rslifkin :
Oh yeah, I forgot front drive Caddy 4100/4500/4900. With the oil filter over the transmission. Those, I would prefill a bit, because after a hundred thousand miles or so, those engines would not build oil pressure after an oil change without some assist.
It feels backwards to REV an engine that has no oil pressure and is starting to knock, but sometimes you had to for the pump to pick up oil!
To be fair to those engines, they usually developed cylinder liner leaks long before they had oil pressure issues
I had, two, I think, Cad 4100s that seized because the oil pump drive shaft would slip down through the gear, eventually dropping enough it would disengage from the distributor. Odd failure, I thought.
As to oil filter pre-filling, I don't. I use it as a three second test of timing chain, phaser and bearing wear. How noisy is it before the oil pressure hits?
03Panther said:
I still think "Decimated" does NOT mean "to utterly destroy" just 'cause most young people use it wrong.
This is scary.
Decimated means 1 in 10 and goes back to Roman times if I remember correctly.
So that means 90% of the people or thing survived.
In reply to Tom1200 :
Because people have used it incorrectly for so long, the dictionary now says "they" are right, and you and I are wrong.
Just like SO many other words.
Text speak / getto mumbles, and Ebonics have changed the language, and the dictionary's on line, agree with them!
I haven't read a hard bound webesters in probably 28 years, now. (Never read one front to back, but had spent some stand by time at work thumbing through them)
In reply to 03Panther :
Dictionaries don't create or limit the language, they document it. If popular usage has changed, the dictionary will as well.
I do still interpret literally as literally, though, which entertains me. I also like to pretend that everything in a commercial is literally happening. Yes, you can drive a Fiat 500 underwater from Italy to the US...
Tom1200 said:This is scary.
Decimated means 1 in 10 and goes back to Roman times if I remember correctly.
So that means 90% of the people or thing survived.
Apparently the Romans either divided the people into groups of 10 who had to determine who got it, or lined them up and beheaded every tenth person. So the idea was that the 90% who survived would get maximum emotional trauma out of it.
Didn't we say if you leave the ignition on without running the engine that you'll weld the points shut closed?
If you run an engine with only headers and no exhaust you'll cool the valves too fast and they'll warp.
Keith Tanner said:In reply to 03Panther :
Dictionaries don't create or limit the language, they document it. If popular usage has changed, the dictionary will as well.
I thought that is what I said. I know it's what i meant. I am not a very eloquent writer, so I may not have.
In reply to Datsun240ZGuy :
When cars still had points, it did (or at least could)
Headers, not as bad as log manifolds. Never heard warped, but heard cracked.
In reply to MadScientistMatt :
I always heard lined 'em up; killed one in 10 - to make a point. Didn't want to kill ALL their new work force.
But, today, it means to utterly destroy, and if you say otherwise, on any social media, the keyboard kommando's will jump all over ya!
Hold on. Downshifting on decel is bad now? Sometimes I wonder whether I'm on the wrong forum. I've always downshifted stick-shift sporty cars when slowing for a turn or a stop.
Many years ago, I test drove a mint AE86 coupe for a third party. Wasn't my car so I drove it carefully. Did a beautiful rev-matched heel-and-toe 3-2 downshift slowing gently for a corner and was immediately admonished by the salesman with, "that's how you destroy transmissions". Well, sounds like you know an awful lot about transmissions, mister...
Some years later, an ill-informed California Highway Patrolman stopped me to discuss my excessive speed turning left through a controlled intersection. He could tell I was speeding because he heard me downshift as I slowed, and "you can't drive like that on the street; that's race car driving." My speedometer showed about 25 through the intersection in a 35 MPH zone and I'd seen him coming far enough in advance to make extra sure I wasn't doing anything foolish, so I downshifted and slowed while my green left-turn arrow came up. Apparently he realized there wasn't much of a case and pivoted to my Bosch Pilot fog lights. "You can't run those on the street. Those are race car lights." I told him I didn't know that, as I'd pulled them from a Volvo station wagon at the Pick and Pull, and it didn't seem very racy.
The world is full of experts.
DarkMonohue said:Hold on. Downshifting on decel is bad now? Sometimes I wonder whether I'm on the wrong forum. I've always downshifted stick-shift sporty cars when slowing for a turn or a stop.
Many years ago, I test drove a mint AE86 coupe for a third party. Wasn't my car so I drove it carefully. Did a beautiful rev-matched heel-and-toe 3-2 downshift slowing gently for a corner and was immediately admonished by the salesman with, "that's how you destroy transmissions". Well, sounds like you know an awful lot about transmissions, mister...
You are rev matching; whereas my brother simply let the clutch out letting the rear tires spin the motor up.
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