DILYSI Dave wrote: It was riding a buddies P1 that convinced me that this is what I wanted. I never clicked with traditional mountain bikes, but I instantly felt at home on a P1. I'd love to get into a DJ for a few hundred, but that might just be unrealistic.
Less than 5 bills
http://bicyclesource.us/itemdetails.cfm?sort=priceasc&LibId=56097
4cylndrfury wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote: It was riding a buddies P1 that convinced me that this is what I wanted. I never clicked with traditional mountain bikes, but I instantly felt at home on a P1. I'd love to get into a DJ for a few hundred, but that might just be unrealistic.Less than 5 bills http://bicyclesource.us/itemdetails.cfm?sort=priceasc&LibId=56097
Not bad. I'm thinking I'd like to play with a suspended fork though. For flatland fun, I like the rigid, but my wrists take a beating when I jump my cruiser with the rigid front.
honestly, I was unsure of the use of a suspended fork on level ground, but you would be surprised how many little bumps, holes, and cracks in the road they absorb
What is FMV on an 11 Y.O. huffy? Brake pads, tires, innertubes and a tune up at a local bike shop.
...followed by an ebay motor kit
DILYSI Dave wrote:4cylndrfury wrote:Not bad. I'm thinking I'd like to play with a suspended fork though. For flatland fun, I like the rigid, but my wrists take a beating when I jump my cruiser with the rigid front.DILYSI Dave wrote: It was riding a buddies P1 that convinced me that this is what I wanted. I never clicked with traditional mountain bikes, but I instantly felt at home on a P1. I'd love to get into a DJ for a few hundred, but that might just be unrealistic.Less than 5 bills http://bicyclesource.us/itemdetails.cfm?sort=priceasc&LibId=56097
You should be able to find a used Kona Stuff probably with some nice upgrades already in a price range that would make you happy. I'll vouch for the insane durability of that bike, too.
I will probably buy another soon.
Only downer of a suspended fork is that it soaks up A LOT of your speed coming off the lip, and can be very unpredictable upon landing...i.e. bike and rider cant agree on which way to go, so they decide to both go a different way, and a bunch of the riders bones decide to do the same a few tenths of a second later.
Also, Suspension forks dont last as long Jumping as they do cross country riding, so youll have to figger regular maintenance into your riding budget. Answer tried to put suspension forks on 20" race bikes, and the results were...less than stellar: High mortality rates for the fork crowns coupled with only meager podium appearances due to increased weight/unpredictability made for low sales.
OTOH, Short travel (80mm) forks with very stiff springs/dampers can work well for dirt jumping/urban freeriding where time isnt a real issue, but are typically going to price you out of the challenge for something real nice and not heavy.
Of course, YMMV
neon4891 wrote: What is FMV on an 11 Y.O. huffy? Brake pads, tires, innertubes and a tune up at a local bike shop. ...followed by an ebay motor kit
NOW you're talking!
I still say, however, that $200 is too much. Compromising to, say, $50 would allow some serious garage saling and fabrication.
DILYSI Dave wrote: I like the rigid, but my wrists take a beating
PERV!!!
AngryCorvair wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote: I like the rigid, but my wrists take a beatingPERV!!!
It's how I roll.
4cylndrfury wrote: Only downer of a suspended fork is that it soaks up A LOT of your speed coming off the lip, and can be very unpredictable upon landing...i.e. bike and rider cant agree on which way to go, so they decide to both go a different way, and a bunch of the riders bones decide to do the same a few tenths of a second later.
Hmm... I like having a suspension fork on my DJ bike... soaks up those nose-case landings since I'm not the greatest DJ-er in the world... When riding BMX, I have a 20"... haven't had the stones to ride it on jumps yet, tho...
My DJ fork is a bit of a oddity - a 4" travel '97 Z-1 fitted with the lowers from a '98 Mr T (20mm t/a) - the result being a "Z-1 Dual" that was never officially sold in the US (and was very rare in Europe). When I built it, single crown forks w/ thru-axles were not common.
Now i am really wanting to resto some of the old bikes at my fiance's house
4cylndrfury nice looking bianchi... what bars are those?... from the pic they look like they are off road drop bars... something I want to try one day lol...
also you mentioned most bikes are made in tiwan... the lower end are made in china these days... kinda like in the 80's early 90s where the higher end stuff was built in japan and lower in tiwan... now tiwan is higher end and china makes the lower quality lower end stuff...
anyway... my toys all are cheap considering the level of bikes they are... lol... I can't say cheap for bikes because spending people still can't believe I spent so much on a bike
this would be considered a challenge type build IMHO
forgive the flats... put them on when i'm riding around the block with the kids or acting like a jackass in the yard :)... hope hubs, salsa rims, DT spokes, thompson post, chris king headset, phil wood BB, g2 fork, 9.0 esp shifter/derailer... got a little over $700 into it now that i've replaced the cassette and chain... got it for $550 with the surly rigid fork... it suits me about perfectly for how and where I ride... not all the newest most awesome stuff but to build something similar with new parts would cost well over 2x what i've got into it
got this lil guy on CL for $50... 1st year of the GT triple triangle... '88 gt avalanche... tossed on a few parts I had laying around but even with FMV it's not over $75
came with some very neat era correct parts... profile 3:1 cam stem, scott aero bar (big deal in early 90's)... U brakes (out back), some '91 xt wheels with aria rims, height rite seat post dropper (yes your new high fangled seat post droppers where around 20 + years ago), deore2 shifty bits... i bought this mostly cause it was kewl... already had the rack so made it more of a commuter... which will get a bit more use when I start the new job next month and it cools down... although i'll porb end up going with the road bike for real commuting duties and let my wife use this as the toy... this is almost how it sits now...
the xt hubs need cleaned up so right now it's rolling on some mid 90's LX wheels, also didn't care for the thumbies on the high sweep on-one mary knock off bar so I installed some 8spd gripshifters and cassette to go with it... rides real nice and comfy... i'm a little big for it as you can tell... 21" frame is to small lol...
my newest toy... '92 trek 400, last year of the lugged steel frames... paid a bit much for it IMHO but I could put it back to stock and sell it for what paid easily.
25.5" (64.7cm c-t) frame fits me about as good as I'll find outside of going custom... some local bike club buddies hooked me up with some good stuff, ultegra barcon 8spd shifters (down tube shifters are fine on a 52cm frame... not a 65cm... especialy when the rider is a bit fat and inflexable lol... got some nice wheelsets, old but great working clipless
here she is less the bar tape
on my 20$ trainer (thank you CL)
and with the other traditional spoke wheelset...
need to pick up some new brake levers for it (not a fan of the hoods on the stock ones), some red bar tape, and need to install the ultegra triple crank i picked up (the 52/42 crank didn't work for my fat self lol) have a little over $300 into this bike all said and done... will prob buy a brooks saddle for it when I have the money though... all said and done i've got enough to build a 2nd complete bike less a frame/fork and a few small bits
Ian F wrote: Hmm... I like having a suspension fork on my DJ bike... soaks up those nose-case landings since I'm not the greatest DJ-er in the world... When riding BMX, I have a 20"... haven't had the stones to ride it on jumps yet, tho...
yeah, I rode (and still ride when I get a chance, which, when my wife has her way, is never
) BMX on a 20". I have ridden Answer Proforks on a 20" bike (in the late 90s) and hated it when jumping, especially on a racetrack when precision counts most. Ive never jumped a 26" bike, but have spun a freestyle 24" around the skatepark, and even then, with a rigid fork it felt sloppy. But, different strokes and whatnot. I dont hate, if you like it go for it
donalson wrote: 4cylndrfury nice looking bianchi... what bars are those?... from the pic they look like they are off road drop bars... something I want to try one day lol...
Yeah, they came on the bike. They are a pretty narrow aluminum cyclocross bar, but Im not familiar with the italian name. They have a great drop and feel excellent, and put the brake hoods in a comfortable spot for almost any hand position.
donalson wrote: this would be considered a challenge type build IMHO
I love Surly stuff. My only real forray into MTB was a Surly Instigator I built when I first started at the Shop. I thought at first that I wanted a super light XC bike, so I went with a Mountain cycle with the box front end and Y shape frame. After I surgically removed the front half of the frame from the back half (read: sheered the metal in a catastrophic failure)after bombing a hill and pumping the creek bed at the bottom, I decided I needed CroMo, and the instigator was created. Deore all the way around (although different generations) an older Marzocchi Bomber 80mm fork and various other junker stuff I could find, I had a 29#
cross country bike. I rode it for a few seasons, and sold it for $500 once I came to terms with the fact that the bike was a hog
donalson wrote:
BMX 990s rear brake FTMFW!!!
haha ya I consider my surly more of a trail bike then XC... its still fast handling even with the 100mm fork thanks to the 51mm g2 offset (handles just as fast as it did with the 80mm rigid) but it gets the bb up a bit which I like... it's portly @ 30# as I recall... but it's a heafty frame, heafty brake, steel bead tires and a VERY heavy fork (but it's plenty strong)... in reality I don't care... bike is about 10% of my body weight... i've got a lot of weight to loose lol... and i'm not worried about snapping anything while riding
and the rear U brakes...
most MTB's where using them at the time... more mechanical advantage then the cantis from what I understand... but a lot heavier... GT used them in the rear untill the mid 90's when they came out with lower profile cantis... due to the location you'd get massive heel strike from what I've read...
can you tell what i've been doing while i've been gone from GRM? lol... and yes i'm a mod on MTBR :)...
donalson wrote: my newest toy... '92 trek 400, last year of the lugged steel frames... paid a bit much for it IMHO but I could put it back to stock and sell it for what paid easily.
Hey, how much did you pay for it? I picked up a similar era Trek 460 for my son a few weeks ago. $60, including a rear rack and new brake levers
I did the following: $10 bar tape $free Fizik saddle I had in the garage $25 tires/tubes $10 chain $10 brake pads and a few hours to repack all the bearings and adjust everything. So $115 and I have a perfectly usable lugged Trek. Heavy as a tank, but rides nice and probably outlast the nuclear apocalypse.
$160... but finding a 65cm frame just isn't going to happen often enough for me to wait it out... the trek is prob going to go back to semi stock and be used for my new commute here soon... I like the feel and look of the bike :) lugged steel is awesome
In reply to donalson:
Are you like 8' tall?
Here is my Trek...
6'4ish... with long legs... and a fat gut... even on the trainer I still have a bit of stand over room on her... and the irony is I've owned 4 mki mr2's and a yugo...
LOL! Scott AT-4 Pro mtn aero-bars... I thought I was the only person who ever bought them... Actually, I really liked them for touring/commuting/city-riding... Although I sold the bike I had them on, I kept those bars. May put them on the next touring bike I build...
I have to admit... I'm basically a bike-snob... my road bike is a ti Colnago with mostly Campy Record... my mtn bikes are also high-end and 99% XTR... Granted, I've also had these bike for over 10 years now...
I remember the AT-4s, I have a set of TX-4s still kicking around. Same idea but not as bendy.
My Univega has Odyssey straddle rods on the brakes and my Trek 9000 has a set of Answer Proforx LT's
I love the vintage gear.
I've got a set of Marzocchi XC500's that need seals and they'll be ready to go!
Shawn
at-4's yup :).... gave them to my LBS buddy who is building a SS softride :) neat bars... they had just gone out of style when I was getting into MTB back in the day... I like the overall feel... i'm still a BIG bar end fan... but the bars where just to dang narrow... but the shape of em where nice.
Trans_Maro wrote: I've got a set of Marzocchi XC500's that need seals and they'll be ready to go!
All 'zokes are still supported out of the CA office. Can either order parts from them or send the fork to them and have them do it. They'll also tune it for you weight if you want, which is nice... especially for those older forks which tended to be under-sprung...
Yeah.. the AT-4 is pretty narrow for trail riding... especially by today's standards... but they were great on my commuter/touring bike.
I have a 15 year old (heavy steel) Giant Mountain bike that put street tires on to tour with my (always training for the end of the world/apocalypse ready) younger brother... aggravated having to wait on me at every stop, he showed up with a cheapy $139. from Walmarts and made me ride it....surprisingly it was a pretty fine bike...needs some upgrades and was assembled poorly, but all in all for $139.00, I am now able to keep up with what ever kind of fancy bike my brother shows up on....(yes he packs while he rides, knives, guns, flame throwers probably...zombie spray if I asked.)
It was $139. because he told me what he paid for it in hopes I would feel guilty about it and pay him back. He forgets who signed his report card and paid his rent when we were kids. (Who went to the farmer whose fence he tore out with our Foster father's C/20 pick-up truck, and accepted blame and built the fence so the cops did not discover a 14 year old was drifting years ahead of the trend.)
John_Galt wrote: It was $139. because he told me what he paid for it in hopes I would feel guilty about it and pay him back. He forgets who signed his report card and paid his rent when we were kids. (Who went to the farmer whose fence he tore out with our Foster father's C/20 pick-up truck, and accepted blame and built the fence so the cops did not discover a 14 year old was drifting years ahead of the trend.)
Nice!!! I too get the warm and fuzzies when my bro gives me a hard time about gas money when we go out, he forgets the tail kickings I took and the pizza money I never saw yaddah yaddah for him
John_Galt wrote: my brother packs while he rides, knives, guns, flame throwers probably...zombie spray if I asked
Zombie spray is expressly prohibited from use during the Challenge. All other forms of self defense/competitive advantage mentioned above are acceptable
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