I just assumed this thread was about a social disease, and EV was a euphemism for "hootus".
I just assumed this thread was about a social disease, and EV was a euphemism for "hootus".
And when my car got broken into and the cop says you should have done more to prevent the theft. What does that mean? They should all be shot.
Sounds like everyone involved are dicks. Dick car owner and dick cop. The car was unlocked so the cop started going through the interior, WTF?
It was on public school property. My understanding is all vehicles on school property may be searched at any time.
bgkast wrote: Sounds like everyone involved are dicks. Dick car owner and dick cop. The car was unlocked so the cop started going through the interior, WTF?
Yes. Weird catchy headline was because everyone involved was an ass.
If extension cords are outlawed, only outlaws will have extension cords 8)
There is a bus stop right on the edge of our sales lot at work. I saw two ladies plug their cell chargers into an outlet on our light post last week while they waited for the bus. Guess I should have called the cops
mndsm wrote: Right or wrong, the cop is the one with the badge and the gun. You don't berkeley with that.
Correction. He has a badge. We both have guns.
Why was the cop a dick? He was asked to do a job and he did it. And where did the nickel worth of power come from? Probably more like a couple bucks. There is this sense that electric vehicles are cheap to run but wait until they are popular(if that ever happens) and there is a noticable effect on both hydro consumption and gas tax revenue. The purchase rebates will stop, a large road tax on electricity will be implemented to replace the depleted gas tax and every accessible outlet will have a lock just like your gas cap does.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: At the point where three men on the public dime spent time and gas money to enforce this $.05 crime... who was really stealing from the tax payers?
Sorry, man you and I see eye-to-eye on many many topics, but I can't buy this line of reasoning.
To a very large extent, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you start over the edge of your line of reasoning above, you find yourself logically having to adopt a very Utilitarian (capital U) philosophy... and there be dragons.
Duke wrote: To a very large extent, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you start over the edge of your line of reasoning above, you find yourself logically having to adopt a very Utilitarian (capital U) philosophy... and there be dragons.
There be dragons either way Duke. I'm already on record here with my disdain for the zero tolerance policy in all it's forms. Plugging something into an open outlet that you don't pay for is certainly wrong but it is not drag you out of your house in handcuffs and spend a day in jail wrong. It's hand him a ticket for $50 wrong. Dick or not - this is abuse of power and were I the JP or mayor... I would come down on the asshats in my township who allowed it to go on like a real investigation for 11 days like the angry fist of god.
Duke wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: At the point where three men on the public dime spent time and gas money to enforce this $.05 crime... who was really stealing from the tax payers?Sorry, man you and I see eye-to-eye on many many topics, but I can't buy this line of reasoning. To a very large extent, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you start over the edge of your line of reasoning above, you find yourself logically having to adopt a very Utilitarian (capital U) philosophy... and there be dragons.
Yay, verily!
mazdeuce wrote: In the early days of people dragging laptops around I was actually asked by security to not use certain outlets in the airport because they were for cleaning purposes only. Was this dumb? Yup. Did I argue with security about it? Nope. I went to the counter and asked where I could plug it. The cops were wrong, but ignoring them isn't the best way to make it right. The cops couldn't give him permission, all they could do is ask him to stop. Permission could only be granted by the school.
..and now it's a non-issue because that line of thinking is ridiculous.
Nothing in the article stated this guy copped an attitude. That's an assumption on your part.
mndsm wrote: Exactly. Right or wrong, the cop is the one with the badge and the gun. You don't berkeley with that.
Assuming the driver was a jerk is assuming a lot in this situation. The officer may have gotten his a$$ on his shoulders, the driver complied but not as quickly as Buford T Justice would've liked, and voila....we have an arrest because of cop ego.
That said, officers shouldn't use a badge and a gun as an excuse to be a jerk or a bully. Remember when they used to be peace officers? There are much better ways and reasons to use authority than to throw it around for something this petty.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:Duke wrote: To a very large extent, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you start over the edge of your line of reasoning above, you find yourself logically having to adopt a very Utilitarian (capital U) philosophy... and there be dragons.There be dragons either way Duke. I'm already on record here with my disdain for the zero tolerance policy in all it's forms. Plugging something into an open outlet that you don't pay for is certainly wrong but it is not drag you out of your house in handcuffs and spend a day in jail wrong. It's hand him a ticket for $50 wrong. Dick or not - this is abuse of power and were I the JP or mayor... I would come down on the asshats in my township who allowed it to go on like a real investigation for 11 days like the angry fist of god.
This. I could see a ticket but handcuffs and arrest really!?!? Just retarded.
In reply to Xceler8x:
If you read what Datsun posted above, you can see that's exactly what happened. Yes, I was making an assumption, but it was based on my understanding of human nature. It turns out that I was right. 999/1000 if a cop asks you to do something and you do it, things will work out ok. You might be pissed or inconvenienced, but you won't get arrested. However, as soon as you start disagreeing, those odds change considerably.
Not that we shouldn't stick up for ourselves, but it makes sense to choose our battles. I have this conversation with my 10 year old about once a week. Today I got a note home because he was caught saying "Suck my balls" in Spanish within earshot of a bilingual teacher. Did the kid he say it to deserve it? Maybe, but that's not the point. The point is that he broke the rules and got caught. At least I've gotten him to the point where when he gets caught he takes his punishment without arguing and making it worse. Perhaps someone should have taught the Leaf driver that lesson earlier in life.
The cop was just saving him from himself.. 120v at 15 amps is a gateway, soon he will be stealing 120v at 20 amps.
Then 240V at 40 amps, where does it end.
Soon he will be strung out on 3 phase...
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: There be dragons either way Duke. I'm already on record here with my disdain for the zero tolerance policy in all it's forms. Plugging something into an open outlet that you don't pay for is certainly wrong but it is not drag you out of your house in handcuffs and spend a day in jail wrong. It's hand him a ticket for $50 wrong. Dick or not - this is abuse of power and were I the JP or mayor... I would come down on the asshats in my township who allowed it to go on like a real investigation for 11 days like the angry fist of god.
I doubt there was a solid 11 days spent on an investigation. The guy had been repeatedly told to stay away from the school and would not. Maybe this will get it through his head and they won't have deal with him over and over again. They should have tased him in the balls but there are probably some kind of rules against it.
I wondered how long it would take for EV hipsters to think they had a right to free electricity for charging. I'm in the "you wouldn't think it was outrageous if he was charged with stealing gas" camp.
I would like to see "meters" where you could plug in a couple of quarters to charge your EV. Say, 25 cents per 15 minutes.
People would pay it.. and it would only cost the town about .1 cent in electricity
Xceler8x wrote:mazdeuce wrote: In the early days of people dragging laptops around I was actually asked by security to not use certain outlets in the airport because they were for cleaning purposes only. Was this dumb? Yup. Did I argue with security about it? Nope. I went to the counter and asked where I could plug it. The cops were wrong, but ignoring them isn't the best way to make it right. The cops couldn't give him permission, all they could do is ask him to stop. Permission could only be granted by the school...and now it's a non-issue because that line of thinking is ridiculous. Nothing in the article stated this guy copped an attitude. That's an assumption on your part.mndsm wrote: Exactly. Right or wrong, the cop is the one with the badge and the gun. You don't berkeley with that.Assuming the driver was a jerk is assuming a lot in this situation. The officer may have gotten his a$$ on his shoulders, the driver complied but not as quickly as Buford T Justice would've liked, and voila....we have an arrest because of cop ego. That said, officers shouldn't use a badge and a gun as an excuse to be a jerk or a bully. Remember when they used to be peace officers? There are much better ways and reasons to use authority than to throw it around for something this petty.
Oh I know- they're supposed to be peace officers, and friendly etc etc- but when you harass the good ones for so long, only the dicks are left. I truly had a Hmong cop harassin' me about my window tint the other day- because I was whitey. Confirmed by people close to him that he has a tendency to do that. BUT- because technically he CAN pull me over for it.... I can't do E36 M3.
In reply to mad_machine:
How about an "I owe you" meter? Where a recorder is put in line with the outlet and the plug to the car; enter the local energy rate and the meter will multiply by the energy used. Or, have plugs that tie to the car, so energy used can automatically be deducted from a declining balance, like an ezpass for tolls.
How exactly does any of what he did justify being cuffed and taken to jail?
Then again, this did happen in Georgia...I wouldn't have been surprised if he was burned at the stake as a witch for driving around in a car with no engine.
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html.
Unfortunately, this is simply a case of people (in this case the law) being unreasonable.
nocones wrote: I'm going to start putting gas in my car from the tanks the local high school uses to refill the lawnmowers they use to mow the soccer fields. Ill only be taking a few miles of gas its fine. Not theft and I shouldn't be prosecuted.
if you really think that would be the same thing … shakes head in disbelief …
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