Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?

It's pretty long, but the Briefing this morning covered the vaccine in the middle. It's quite good.

Monday, December 14, 2020 - AlbertMohler.com

It's dusty as berkeley for me to see and hear of people starting to get vaccinated. 

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

It's dusty as berkeley for me to see and hear of people starting to get vaccinated. 

 

This.  At the very least, I can think of it as the beginning of the end of this pandemic.  I know it'll be slow, and it's gonna get worse before better.  But it's a start.  And for that, I am very happy. 

My sister got poked today, one of the first (if not the first) in NH.  She's a nurse educator/manager, so she's overseeing the administering of all staff vaccinations at her hospital.  She also spends time on the hot-floors too, so it was a no brainer for her.  It makes me endlessly joyful knowing that we can hopefully see each other over the holiday or soon after.  It's been a long damn time... 

Balls.

Dad just called, he and his girlfriend tested positive for Covid today.

He's 70-something (we're not what you'd call "close"), smoked 2 packs a day for 60-something of those years and drinks like a fish.

Guess it's wait and see.

I was right.  My first dose is scheduled for friday morning with the second injection on January 8.

I guess we'll see if I develop an uncontrollable hunger for brains 

In reply to KyAllroad (Jeremy) (Forum Supporter) :

Please let us know how it goes! 

One thing I'm curious about, and don't follow the news enough.  Should someone that has already had it get this vaccine?  Is there an issue with antibodies or anything this primitive mind can't comprehend?

Jerry said:

One thing I'm curious about, and don't follow the news enough.  Should someone that has already had it get this vaccine?  Is there an issue with antibodies or anything this primitive mind can't comprehend?

Still should get it.  As far as I understand, you can get COVID more than once due to multiple mutations of it, but the way the vaccine works helps protect against that.

I think Pfizer and the local government should arrange for everyone in Kalamazoo and Battle Creek to get vaccinated. That way we'll know if it stops community transmission or just reduces the effects. Kalamazoo is big enough (75000) that the sample size should avoid small-number problems, small enough that we're not using 10% of a whole month's production on one place, and a tight enough community that being able to resume full activities would spread COVID fast if it doesn't work.

If you are eligible to get it, how do you know?

My mom is probably higher risk so I imagine she will be part of one of the early waves, but I have no idea how to find out.

ProDarwin said:

If you are eligible to get it, how do you know?

My mom is probably higher risk so I imagine she will be part of one of the early waves, but I have no idea how to find out.

So it's ultimately up to the individual state governments to determine priority, so I'd start with your state dept of Health and Human Services.  But typically, its Long-term care facilities (staff and patients), Hospital staff (and high risk patients), first responders (law enforcement, EMS/Fire, etc), critical infrastructure staff (food processing workers, truck drivers, factory workers in critical supply chain), individuals in large group living arrangements (prisons, group homes, etc), high risk and elderly, moderate risk, general public. 

Some of those steps can be swapped out here and there, but that's the general rule.  As far as the public is concerned, almost all vaccinations will be taken place either at your physician's office or at CVS or Walgreens under appointment.  

Hope this info helps. 

My local news covered a story about possible correlation of getting Bell's palsy from Covid vaccine.

After googling seems 4 out of 40,000 got Bell's palsy, while although treatable, are not sure if related to vaccine.

Anyone else heard of this?

golfduke said:

ProDarwin said:

If you are eligible to get it, how do you know?

My mom is probably higher risk so I imagine she will be part of one of the early waves, but I have no idea how to find out.

So it's ultimately up to the individual state governments to determine priority, so I'd start with your state dept of Health and Human Services.  But typically, its Long-term care facilities (staff and patients), Hospital staff (and high risk patients), first responders (law enforcement, EMS/Fire, etc), critical infrastructure staff (food processing workers, truck drivers, factory workers in critical supply chain), individuals in large group living arrangements (prisons, group homes, etc), high risk and elderly, moderate risk, general public. 

 

Some of those steps can be swapped out here and there, but that's the general rule.  As far as the public is concerned, almost all vaccinations will be taken place either at your physician's office or at CVS or Walgreens under appointment.  

Hope this info helps. 

 

Yeah, I guess what I am getting at is who would be the one to tell you if you do qualify if you are elderly or high risk?  Your primary care doctor would call you and say "your turn"?

chaparral said:

I think Pfizer and the local government should arrange for everyone in Kalamazoo and Battle Creek to get vaccinated. That way we'll know if it stops community transmission or just reduces the effects. Kalamazoo is big enough (75000) that the sample size should avoid small-number problems, small enough that we're not using 10% of a whole month's production on one place, and a tight enough community that being able to resume full activities would spread COVID fast if it doesn't work.

Not a bad idea, but one of the criteria for a drug-test population is an accurate diversity of many factors; race, climate, environment, wealth, etc, so you test some rich, poor, middle, black, white, hispanic/latinx, older, younger, etc.  And do it in a suburb of Philly, downtown Chicago, Santa Barbara, Billings MT, and Ocala FL for instance.

This way they can eliminate certain factors, like if a disease is being transmitted by Beef Pasties, Kalamazoo wouldn't be a representative sample since the midwest eats lots of Pasties, but other areas don't even know what they are.

In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :

Haven't heard of it in relation to the covid vaccine, but it is a known (however usually incredibly obscure) potential side-effect of many vaccines and medications.  My former board chair had a temporary Bell's Palsy from some medication he took.  Not sure what the med was, but it was something for his bladder cancer I assume.  That's the only condition I knew him to have.

I just want most people here to end up getting the Moderna vaccine so that I can proclaim that I'm inside you  Kizzy did all the work, I'll make the jokes though. 

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I just want most people here to end up getting the Moderna vaccine so that I can proclaim that I'm inside you  Kizzy did all the work, I'll make the jokes though. 

That is probably the most valid reason I've heard NOT to get the vaccine.

I mean, I love you, but when you phrase it like that...

Subscriber-unavailabile said:

My local news covered a story about possible correlation of getting Bell's palsy from Covid vaccine.

After googling seems 4 out of 40,000 got Bell's palsy, while although treatable, are not sure if related to vaccine.

Anyone else heard of this?

There were 4 confirmed cases of Bell's palsy in the test group of 44k for the Phizer drug. There were no cases in the control group. The FDA has advised doctors to be on the lookout for additional cases of Bell's palsy but made no additional suggestions. 

According to the FDA’s briefing document dated Dec. 10 here , Bell’s palsy was reported in four vaccine participants and none in the placebo group, out of the 44,000 total participants of the late-stage vaccine trial ( here ).

But the FDA stated that “the observed frequency of reported Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time.” Still, the agency recommended surveillance of this condition once the vaccine is distributed into larger populations.

Everything I've read on the Phizer vaccine and talking to a couple of nurses is that it is mostly therapeutic.     This is not a bad thing as it forces the body to build immunity.

With this Vaccine, the virus comes into an environment waiting for it.

Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:

Subscriber-unavailabile said:

My local news covered a story about possible correlation of getting Bell's palsy from Covid vaccine.

After googling seems 4 out of 40,000 got Bell's palsy, while although treatable, are not sure if related to vaccine.

Anyone else heard of this?

There were 4 confirmed cases of Bell's palsy in the test group of 44k for the Phizer drug. There were no cases in the control group. The FDA has advised doctors to be on the lookout for additional cases of Bell's palsy but made no additional suggestions. 

According to the FDA’s briefing document dated Dec. 10 here , Bell’s palsy was reported in four vaccine participants and none in the placebo group, out of the 44,000 total participants of the late-stage vaccine trial ( here ).

But the FDA stated that “the observed frequency of reported Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time.” Still, the agency recommended surveillance of this condition once the vaccine is distributed into larger populations.

Thanks for the unbiased report.  For me, even if they had conclusive data to suggest that the vaccine caused the Bell's, That's 1 in 11,000 chance of having a temporary paralysis on half your face instead of 1 in 250 dying of the virus.  I'm ugly already, so drooling out of one side of my face is a fair trade-off 

Co worker in brazil just passed. He has school age kids.  His wife is sick as well and not doing well. 
 

coworkers uncle just died and another's brother.  Getting close to home.  

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:

Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:

Subscriber-unavailabile said:

My local news covered a story about possible correlation of getting Bell's palsy from Covid vaccine.

After googling seems 4 out of 40,000 got Bell's palsy, while although treatable, are not sure if related to vaccine.

Anyone else heard of this?

There were 4 confirmed cases of Bell's palsy in the test group of 44k for the Phizer drug. There were no cases in the control group. The FDA has advised doctors to be on the lookout for additional cases of Bell's palsy but made no additional suggestions. 

According to the FDA’s briefing document dated Dec. 10 here , Bell’s palsy was reported in four vaccine participants and none in the placebo group, out of the 44,000 total participants of the late-stage vaccine trial ( here ).

But the FDA stated that “the observed frequency of reported Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time.” Still, the agency recommended surveillance of this condition once the vaccine is distributed into larger populations.

Thanks for the unbiased report.  For me, even if they had conclusive data to suggest that the vaccine caused the Bell's, That's 1 in 11,000 chance of having a temporary paralysis on half your face instead of 1 in 250 dying of the virus.  I'm ugly already, so drooling out of one side of my face is a fair trade-off 

 

Not only that, but Bell's palsy typically clears itself up after a few weeks anyway with no medical intervention required.  Hell, if I had a 1 in 11,000 chance of getting that from drinking coffee every morning I'd just shrug and keep doing what I'm doing.

I think most of the side-effect talk so far is mostly click-bait journalism and most of what they're talking about isn't really substantially different from the flu shot.  I'm still glad that I won't have access to it for a while yet as they work their way down the prioirty list, but I fully expect that we're going to see more of this as the public beta continues.  Lots of stupid hype and hang-wringing over low-probability/low-impact side-effects.

In reply to wae :

Agreed.  People can watch 650,000 ads for Antiproxicam HCL on TV and tune out the part where they list its side effects as death, paralysis, spontaneous greasy anal discharge, and stroke, but when it comes to a drug they are faced with needing to take, even a side effect of dry mouth for an hour is suddenly a deal breaker.   Not directed at you, Subscriber, you've offered good unbiased info, I'm talking about the general doubters in the world.

Got my Pfizer this morning 

they gave us a bracelet -with date - which denotes  when to come back for 2nd dose. 
 

my colleagues who are all scheduled for Friday and Monday have been told to get ready for moderna instead of Pfizer