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914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
5/3/12 6:13 a.m.

Not in Arkansas .....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arkansas-women-fight-claim-1m-lotto-ticket-16267416

When she plucked a winning lottery ticket out of the trash, Sharon Jones' luck changed instantly. The $1 million prize let her pay off debts, give thousands of dollars to her children and buy a gleaming new pickup truck.

But now her jackpot is in jeopardy. A judge ruled this week that the money belongs to another woman, who says she threw the ticket away after a lottery machine incorrectly told her it was a loser. The Arkansas Lottery Commission insists there are no problems with its equipment.

"Why does she have the right to come back after she's already thrown it away and say, 'Oh no. Now that it is a winner, I want the money?'" said Jones' husband, William, who was laid off last year after working in construction.

Sharon Jones claimed the $1 million prize last July, turning in a scratch-off "Diamond Dazzler" ticket that the other woman, Sharon Duncan, said she purchased earlier at the Super 1 Stop convenience store in Beebe, about 35 miles northeast of Little Rock.

Duncan told a judge she discarded the ticket after an electronic scanner told her it was "not a winner."

"And then the next thing you know, 10 months later, you're fighting for something that was trash," William Jones said.

Years ago, Sharon Jones quit her job washing dishes at a cafe in nearby Searcy to tend to her father-in-law as he was dying from a lung disease. She often collected discarded lottery tickets because they can qualify for secondary prizes. What used to be her father-in-law's bedroom now contains three large plastic bins full of thousands of old tickets — and a copy of the winning ticket.

Jones discovered the ticket was a winner when the state's database wouldn't let her enter the ticket number.

AP Sharon and William Jones talk about a lawsuit... View Full Caption Sharon and William Jones talk about a lawsuit over a lottery ticket at their home Wednesday, May 2, 2012 in Beebe, Ark. Sharon Jones, an Arkansas woman who cashed a $1 million lottery ticket may have to give up the winnings to Sharon Duncan. a woman who threw away the ticket after she bought it, according to a judge's ruling. (AP Photo/Jeannie Nuss) CloseThe state Lottery Commission said it is confident its machines work properly. "We've never had a report of a mis-scanned ticket," spokeswoman Julie Baldridge said.

William Jones said the couple was living paycheck-to-paycheck before hitting the jackpot. After the two claimed their prize money, they looked to buy a house to replace the ranch-style home they live in now.

"That was one of the first things on our agenda," he said, explaining that their plans all "got shattered" when ownership of the ticket was disputed. A judge issued a restraining order — but only after the Joneses spent some of the money.

The two now have about $490,000 remaining from the $680,000 they received after taxes. They say they gave tens of thousands of dollars to their children and about $4,500 to a relative who has a child with Down syndrome.

One of Duncan's attorneys said his client isn't ready to talk about the lottery ticket yet. Another lawyer, James "Red" Morgan, argued in court that she simply made a mistake by throwing away a $1 million ticket and that the only right she willingly parted with was to enter the ticket for the possibility of a secondary prize.

White County Judge Thomas Hughes concluded that Duncan bought the winning ticket, even though lottery records and store security video didn't synch up to the precise timing of the purchase. He ruled that Duncan never abandoned her right to claim the winnings.

"The $1 million was never found money," the judge said Tuesday.

Lottery officials investigated Jones' account of finding the ticket and were satisfied with it, Lottery Security Chief Lance Huey testified.

Attorneys for the Joneses plan to appeal the judge's decision. In the meantime, the remaining money is in limbo. Asked what the pair would do if they had to turn over a full $1 million, Jones laughed.

"I hope I don't have to answer that question," he said before confiding that there's no way they could pay back the money.

Meanwhile, at the convenience store, signs tout the store's fried chicken and remind passers-by: "Winning Million Dollar Lottery Ticket Sold Here."

"We've still got each other," Jones said. "We're going to live regardless."

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Donebrokeit
Donebrokeit Reader
5/3/12 7:04 a.m.

One (Wo)mans trash is another's (Wo)mans treasure. Sorry about the first owner luck but she threw it away, sounds like someone should be suing the lottery office.

Paul B

Luke
Luke UberDork
5/3/12 7:16 a.m.

I think it's pretty simple. If the lottey machine is at fault, ticket belongs to original purchaser. Otherwise, finders keepers.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper UberDork
5/3/12 7:28 a.m.

An interesting case.

At first blush, it would appear to be a simple case under the abandoned property concept. In which case the Ms. Jones, who picked it up out of the trash, would be the rightful owner.

However, Ms. Duncan essentially mitigates that with her assertion that she was incorrectly told it was trash. If she knowingly threw away a million dollar ticket, the abandoned property concept would still apply. But she did not, she threw away a million dollars she didn't know she actually had.

This is a key part, that she did not knowingly throw away a million dollar ticket. The judge seems to be accepting her assertion that she did not knowingly throw away a million dollars.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
5/3/12 7:51 a.m.
Luke wrote: I think it's pretty simple. If the lottey machine is at fault, ticket belongs to original purchaser. Otherwise, finders keepers.

prove it.

BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
5/3/12 8:20 a.m.

How do you prove it was you that threw the ticket away?

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
5/3/12 8:30 a.m.

Yes Your Honor, I kowingly threw away a million dollar Ticket.

mndsm
mndsm UberDork
5/3/12 8:32 a.m.
BBsGarage wrote: How do you prove it was you that threw the ticket away?

This. At least in MN, lotto tickets are sold with cash and cash only. If you buy it from a store, they verify you're old enough, but i'm fairly certain they don't keep a database of who bought what ticket. To me this screams "woman finds ticket in garbage. Other woman is pissed she didn't find it in garbage, decides to try and scam a few bucks".

DrBoost
DrBoost UberDork
5/3/12 8:37 a.m.

How do you prove that you threw the ticket away, how do you prove the scanner was wrong, it sound like she can't even prove she bought the ticket.
Sorry lady, that money now belongs to someone who did the very thing you didn't do; check the ticket in the database to see if there was any value at all in the ticket. IF she can prove the scanner was wrong, the lottery commission owes her money.

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo UberDork
5/3/12 8:43 a.m.
Article said: White County Judge Thomas Hughes concluded that Duncan bought the winning ticket, even though lottery records and store security video didn't synch up to the precise timing of the purchase. He ruled that Duncan never abandoned her right to claim the winnings.

If the store video and lottery records don't synch up to the precise timing of the purchase, how can they "conclude" it was her who bought the ticket at all? Something's fishy.

bastomatic
bastomatic Dork
5/3/12 8:46 a.m.

That's so strange, I also bought a ticket from that same location, and I also threw it away at that same location! The winning numbers were the ones I played too!

Do I have a case?

BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
5/3/12 8:49 a.m.
bastomatic wrote: That's so strange, I also bought a ticket from that same location, and I also threw it away at that same location! The winning numbers were the ones I played too! Do I have a case?

No you have no case, it was a scratch off ticket not a pick your numbers ticket. So sorry for you!

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
5/3/12 8:54 a.m.

Thats so strange, I also bought a ticket from that same location, and I also threw it away at that same location! The winning scratch off ticket was exactly the same.

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof UltraDork
5/3/12 9:00 a.m.

If it was in Ontario the government would be suing for the money. Once it's in the garbage, it becomes property of the state

foxtrapper
foxtrapper UberDork
5/3/12 9:02 a.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: If the store video and lottery records don't synch up to the precise timing of the purchase, how can they "conclude" it was her who bought the ticket at all? Something's fishy.

Clocks are notoriously off by a few minutes. My watch might say 5:00, yours might say 4:50. Worse if we have daylight savings time games.

If they've video that (1) shows Ms. Duncan scanning the ticket and then throwing it away, and (2) shows Ms. Jones picking that ticket up out of the trash, there is a case.

I do agree about some weirdness in the story, but since it's a news article, all the long boring details aren't there.

It's an obfuscating by the lottery folk to claim they've no record of errors in scanning. Of course they wouldn't, that's the problem. That's like calibrating your speedometer with your speedometer.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
5/3/12 9:04 a.m.
Zomby Woof wrote: If it was in Ontario the government would be suing for the money. Once it's in the garbage, it becomes property of the state

That isn't a trash can, its a "disposal receptacle."

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo UberDork
5/3/12 9:07 a.m.

I would have to think that IF they had video showing her buying the ticket it would have been mentioned in the article. Even if they had video of her throwing away a ticket it doesn't prove it was the winning one. Fifteen other people could have thrown tickets in that same receptacle.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper UberDork
5/3/12 9:25 a.m.

That's what I mean about weirdness in the story and incompleteness of the boring details.

You'd almost need continuous footage, with the one lady standing right behind the other picking the tossed ticket out of the garbage as it hit the can.

Dunno. Maybe they've got that. Just don't know. Maybe they've even got facial footage showing her frowning and mouthing "loser" or something. Again, just don't know.

I do understand Ms. Duncan being unhappy about throwing away a million dollars (presuming it was her, etc). I don't think anyone in this thread would actually be as cavalier as they claim if it was their million dollars. If it were me, I'd certainly try fighting to get "my" million dollars back.

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
5/3/12 9:28 a.m.

I watch TV so I know things and I know the trash is fair game because the cops are always able to get stuff out of the trash right in front of the perps and they can't do anything about it.

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo UberDork
5/3/12 9:28 a.m.

Hey, just because the atm tells me my debit card is worthless doesn't mean I throw it away. I don't think it is cavalier to say, once you throw something away it may no longer be yours.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
5/3/12 10:23 a.m.
foxtrapper wrote: If it were me, I'd certainly try fighting to get "my" million dollars back.

No, I'm not nearly that petty.

At the same time, I'm not dumb enough to throw away a winning ticket. Also, there is no way she can actually prove it is "her" ticket unless she has proof. Video of someone throwing out a ticket (which as stated, everyone that loses does) and someone else picking up A (as in one) lottery ticket is not evidence. I'm talking we need to see receipts and some sort of identification number on the winning ticket.

There is no way this has a chance of making it, unless if the system in America is as messed up as the pundits say!

fasted58
fasted58 UltraDork
5/3/12 10:34 a.m.

Duncan was just too lazy to check the ticket herself. Jones did the work and took it to the bank, so to say

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
5/3/12 10:57 a.m.

I'm more surprised that Sharon Jones had fallen on such hard times after recording so many bad ass albums with the Dap Kings.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
5/3/12 11:00 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: I watch TV so I know things and I know the trash is fair game because the cops are always able to get stuff out of the trash right in front of the perps and they can't do anything about it.

Discarded items need no warrant nor probable cause to sift through. A great way to GET a warrant.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair PowerDork
5/3/12 12:15 p.m.

has the ticket been dusted for prints?

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