Javelin wrote: In reply to dculberson: When you are raising a child you worry about a lot of things.
Some of them unnecessarily which is why it's fascinating.
Javelin wrote: In reply to dculberson: When you are raising a child you worry about a lot of things.
Some of them unnecessarily which is why it's fascinating.
I heard a report on NPR recently about how Portland OR defeated the floridation of the water supply. Seemed to me a very "Portland" thing to be concerned about.
Don't worry about the flouride, in exchange for government mind control you get improved dental health 
Javelin wrote: In reply to dculberson: When you are raising a child you worry about a lot of things.
So you want them to get cavities? I'm confused.
(growing up my Mom wouldn't let me even use Crest which was the only toothpaste with fluoride in it)
Ian F wrote: Ah.. fluoride... and memories of the 6 months I spent in a very rural Northern Georgia elementary school in the late 70's where my father was teaching... and the "fluoride rinse" we'd be issued every week since most of my classmates had never seen something as fancy as a toothbrush...
Just curious where in rural N GA? I grew up in rural N GA and we had toothbrushes so Im just curious!
All the well water around here tastes gross no matter what is done to it in my experience.
crankwalk wrote: Just curious where in rural N GA? I grew up in rural N GA and we had toothbrushes so Im just curious!
We moved around so much during my childhood that much of it is a blur...
Some multi-grade school complex in Forsythe County, I think... He only taught there for 6 months in 1978.
In reply to Javelin:
I thought Portland just voted to not add fluoride to the water supply.
Honestly I'm on a well and I would be a big big fan of getting my kiddos hooked up to sweet sweet flouridy goodness. I'm 100% more concerned about what comes out of our random assortment of field runoff and makes it's way into our groundwater than a little bit of flouride.
In reply to nocones:
If you have soil worth a berkeley there, its a better filter than anything you or the govt can buy.....
nocones wrote: Honestly I'm on a well and I would be a big big fan of getting my kiddos hooked up to sweet sweet flouridy goodness. I'm 100% more concerned about what comes out of our random assortment of field runoff and makes it's way into our groundwater than a little bit of flouride.
Some areas have naturally occuring fluoride levels that are high enough, or even higher than is recommended. Your local health department or county extension office may be able to provide more information.
yamaha wrote: In reply to nocones: If you have soil worth a berkeley there, its a better filter than anything you or the govt can buy.....
That's the problem, depending on the soil content it may not be enough to filter out the bad stuff.
Swank Force One wrote:Ian F wrote: Ah.. fluoride... and memories of the 6 months I spent in a very rural Northern Georgia elementary school in the late 70's where my father was teaching... and the "fluoride rinse" we'd be issued every week since most of my classmates had never seen something as fancy as a toothbrush...Oh god.... The berkeleying fluoride rinse. Still to this day one of the most disgusting things EVER, and STILL makes my mouth field weird and watery just by THINKING about it.
Yeah, I made the mistake of swallowing it once. To this day, I still can't get near flouride without getting queasy. Honestly this crap is in our toothpastes and mouthwashes and most public schools provide tablets for free. Why is it put in our water for the adults that it does nothing to help? Let alone what it might do to our pets, as well as fish and wildlife?
bgkast wrote: In reply to Javelin: I thought Portland just voted to not add fluoride to the water supply.
Click on his picture, you'll see he's in Kelso, WA. Different State/City.
Ian F wrote:crankwalk wrote: Just curious where in rural N GA? I grew up in rural N GA and we had toothbrushes so Im just curious!We moved around so much during my childhood that much of it is a blur... Some multi-grade school complex in Forsythe County, I think... He only taught there for 6 months in 1978.
Ahh I grew up next door in Hall county. You drank that good ol' Lake Lanier water with me. Mmmm
In reply to dculberson:
Real, actual, peer-reviewed science says otherwise on the fluoride debate. 
In reply to carguy123:
There is zero scientific correlation or causation between dental health, including cavities and decay, and ingestion of fluoride. Topical use, yes, but not ingestion. Just like how pouring motor oil on top of your engine won't protect the crank bearings any.
In reply to bgkast:
I'm not in Portland.
Javelin wrote: In reply to carguy123: There is zero scientific correlation or causation between dental health, including cavities and decay, and *ingestion* of fluoride. Topical use, yes, but not ingestion. Just like how pouring motor oil on top of your engine won't protect the crank bearings any.
Now you tell me. Where were you when my Mom was being all super Mom?
I could play in traffic, but not get any of that yummy fluoride.
Anyway she said my hootus would fall off or something else as severe if I swallowed even a little of that evil Crest toothpaste stuff. Now that I'm older I'm not sure what would have been more severe than my hootus falling off.
Javelin wrote: In reply to dculberson: Real, actual, peer-reviewed science says otherwise on the fluoride debate.
Real, Actualy peer-reviewed studies also say it's inconclusive or helps tremendously.
In reply to DoctorBlade:
Depends on who is footing the bill for the study, just like everything else....
stuart in mn wrote: Some areas have naturally occuring fluoride levels that are high enough, or even higher than is recommended. Your local health department or county extension office may be able to provide more information.
That was how the whole thing got started - some places in Texas have so much of the stuff naturally that it turns your teeth brownish. A dentist examining patients with "Texas teeth syndrome" found that the upside was that people who had this problem had a much lower rate of cavities and tooth decay, and traced that to excessive flourides in the water.
Since flouride is a salt (well, technically, one-half a salt molecule), you'd need an electrodeionizer or reverse osmosis to remove it, or at least bring it down from excessive levels. The same process should be effective on bromine, which is more likely to be dangerous.
In reply to MadScientistMatt:
And they add bromine to the water with the fluoride here.
crankwalk wrote: Ahh I grew up next door in Hall county. You drank that good ol' Lake Lanier water with me. Mmmm
We lived farther south in Cummings (half way to where my mother worked at the IRS in Chamblee), but I'm guessing the same water from Lake Lanier. It's funny - I found the house we rented for that year on Googlemaps recently. Looks like the neighborhood hasn't changed a bit in 35 years.
nocones wrote: Honestly I'm on a well and I would be a big big fan of getting my kiddos hooked up to sweet sweet flouridy goodness. I'm 100% more concerned about what comes out of our random assortment of field runoff and makes it's way into our groundwater than a little bit of flouride.
Believe it or not some states actually remove flouride from the natural sources of water to bring it down to more acceptable levels.
And chlorine is just as "bad" as flouride in water, but you don't hear any clamoring over that.
e_pie wrote: And chlorine is just as "bad" as flouride in water, but you don't hear any clamoring over that.
Without the chlorine you'd have to worry about e. coli and all kinds of other fun stuff, so it's a matter of which one is less bad for you.
My thought is you're over reacting.
But if you want water that you know what's in it, just look up off grid water systems and how they purify water. Then take samples and send it to a lab and see what you get.
My dad's buddy drop $800 and has potable water at his off grid hunting shack.
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