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dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
9/11/22 8:55 a.m.
aircooled said:

I will say I do not use my real name, not to hide from stupid posts, but I really don't want my name, or any significant info shown publicly on the internet at all.  Far more to avoid unwanted marketing then any sort of government paranoia. 

And no, I do not have any sort of FacePoop account or anything broadcasting my every move and meal.  The only site I know of that has my actual name is LinkedIn, and I am still really do not like that (but it's pretty necessary if you ever need to look for a job).

Having the same name (including middle initial) of a uber famous North Carolina college basket ball coach and having one of the most common last names on the planet has led to internet anonymity for me. I am lucky as I started using the internet in the mid 90s when it was a friendly place where using your real name on electronic divides was just what you did. 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/11/22 2:01 p.m.

In reply to dean1484 :

Having one of the rarest surnames in the world is a little odd.  For better or worse, people usually get it wrong, even though it is short and has a normal amount of consonants and vowels in a non confusing order.

Probably not as odd as a girl I had a crush on in high school, who had the same first and last name as a US President's daughter.  I bet she never uses her real name online smiley

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/11/22 2:02 p.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

Wait a minute! Are you telling me I don't have to use my real name on this forum?!?!

I used to use my real name but started going by a handle for privacy reasons.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
9/11/22 2:14 p.m.

My parents friends name was John Smith.

He said he always got funny looks checking in to a hotel with his wife.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/11/22 2:25 p.m.

In reply to ShawnG :

Hey, that is my brother's name!

(not kidding)

 

I also know five Dave Jones.  None of them are Monkees or owners of subsurface lockers, to the best of my knowledge.

chandler
chandler UltimaDork
9/11/22 4:24 p.m.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to dean1484 :

Probably not as odd as a girl I had a crush on in high school, who had the same first and last name as a US President's daughter.  I bet she never uses her real name online smiley

we had a "weird names" thread a few years ago (what's really weird mean) and I posted a name my dad had told me of a girl he either dated or knew in college in south central Iowa and a member here called me and said that's really odd; that's my mother in laws maiden name....same lady. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/11/22 5:27 p.m.
Beer Baron said:
bobzilla said:
tremm said:

Well I'm glad the discussion about it remained civil blush

I hadn't noticed an increase in bickering recently, but I usually only read the builds/grm/ot sections. Thanks for the moderating efforts. I guess the forum serves as an outlet for both people going through good, and rough patches.

My position hasn't changed, and I really don't like someone deciding for me what I should/shouldn't be shown, but it is obviously not the only one to value, and it's always possible to reconsider in the future.

With the way the world has become so polarized where every topic is black or white it was only a matter of time before it happened here. This place has become a bit of an echo chamber and there are times when the simple act of questioning the group think leads to dog piles. So like we have to live in the real world we just suck it up and keep quiet as much as we can. The time for actual discussion about real topics is over. Now it's groupthink and friend/foe mentality. 

 I bet you $20 you can't find me another online forum that has more legitimate discussion of weighty issues between people with differing viewpoints. Not people on opposite ends of a spectrum yelling across a gap at each other. One where people actually make good-faith efforts to try to understand and persuade respectfully.

Post up a link here, then PM me and I will Venmo you.

There is a local gun forum that is better. You can speak openly. But I don't want to take your money so I'm not putting in the link. 

Wally (Forum Supporter)
Wally (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/12/22 11:02 a.m.

I'm glad the downvote button returned, I was sorry it had been abolished previously in the reader's rides section as it was keeping my ego in check. 

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/12/22 11:38 a.m.
MadScientistMatt said:
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

If you think downvotes are rough, wait until you find out about the concourse scoring system. 

SVReX had the best explanation of that I've heard: it's a measure of how good a feature article they could print about your car.

Huh. I'll be darned. 
 

Guess I should stop downvoting SV reX

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
9/12/22 11:50 a.m.

Couple things I've learned here...

- Stuff doesn't always come across the way you intend it in writing. There have been many times I've come across as a Shiny Happy Person, when I was just trying to be make a neutral comment

- Fewer words are better

- Dry humor doesn't translate in writing. At all. 
 

- Sometimes people will call you what they choose. I never actually gave anyone on this forum permission to use my real name, but it happens frequently. It's not an issue to me now, but it used to be.  (we had a stalker threaten my kids who identified where we live by linking my user name with my real name on this site).
 

Note: I now appreciate it when my friends use my real name, so don't make changes. I have nothing to hide, but I have too many car related activities tied to this username, so it's easier for me now to leave it alone. 

tremm
tremm Reader
9/12/22 4:15 p.m.
bobzilla said:

There is a local gun forum that is better. You can speak openly. But I don't want to take your money so I'm not putting in the link. 

Can you PM me the name?

iansane
iansane Dork
9/12/22 4:56 p.m.
bobzilla said:
tremm said:

Well I'm glad the discussion about it remained civil blush

I hadn't noticed an increase in bickering recently, but I usually only read the builds/grm/ot sections. Thanks for the moderating efforts. I guess the forum serves as an outlet for both people going through good, and rough patches.

My position hasn't changed, and I really don't like someone deciding for me what I should/shouldn't be shown, but it is obviously not the only one to value, and it's always possible to reconsider in the future.

With the way the world has become so polarized where every topic is black or white it was only a matter of time before it happened here. This place has become a bit of an echo chamber and there are times when the simple act of questioning the group think leads to dog piles. So like we have to live in the real world we just suck it up and keep quiet as much as we can. The time for actual discussion about real topics is over. Now it's groupthink and friend/foe mentality. 
 

sad. Truly sad. 

It's not what you're saying that's getting downvoted. It's how you're saying it. You tend to start your thought with the foregone conclusion that everyone hates you and that what you're about to say will break the internet. This place is going to be at least a little echo-y since it's rooted in a singular passion that almost all of us have come here for, grassroots motorsports but for the most part the people that will genuinely engage you in conversation are willing to try and look at from you perspective. Obviously that doesn't mean they'll side with you, but they will be appreciative of what you've brought to the table. IF you bring it to the table without the baggage. I like you. I don't know you, but I like what you have to say even if a lot of it I disagree with.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
9/12/22 10:00 p.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

there's no way this thread gets locked.

Hold my beer.....

Just kidding.  As usual, I disagree.  People can downvote if they want to.  If they are so scared and afraid of comments on a message board, then yes they should be able to autohidr them from others.  
 

I'm for freedom (as usual) to upvote or downvote.  People should be able to like or dislike anything as they choose.  

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
9/12/22 10:59 p.m.

Wait. I am supposed to care if people up or down vote  my posts now?   laugh

 

Oh and GRM needs to add this face. I call it the don't take me serious face. 
 


 

 

Nick Comstock
Nick Comstock MegaDork
9/13/22 12:07 a.m.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Yep. Using my real name keeps me from E36 M3posting from time to time.

I did most of my E36 M3 posting when I was using my real name. 

Edit: which apparently I still am,  I just don't post a lot anymore. 

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
9/13/22 8:20 a.m.
iansane said:

It's not what you're saying that's getting downvoted. It's how you're saying it. You tend to start your thought with the foregone conclusion that everyone hates you and that what you're about to say will break the internet. This place is going to be at least a little echo-y since it's rooted in a singular passion that almost all of us have come here for, grassroots motorsports but for the most part the people that will genuinely engage you in conversation are willing to try and look at from you perspective. Obviously that doesn't mean they'll side with you, but they will be appreciative of what you've brought to the table. IF you bring it to the table without the baggage. I like you. I don't know you, but I like what you have to say even if a lot of it I disagree with.

My observations of the actual proclivities and biases of this board, and what actually gets threads locked.

This forum has a strong libertarian (small 'L') bias. Outside of that, it's fairly ideologically diverse. Because it is relatively large, it is more moderate than extremist. With the libertarian thing, I would say it skews slightly liberal of average (for the U.S.) on social issues relating to personal freedoms and self expression (e.g. LGBTQ rights, drug legalization, etc.) and slightly conservative of median in relation to economic/business issues. It is generally in favor of policies that are friendly to small businesses.

I don't have data to back it up, but if you were to plot things on a 2-axis "Liberal/Conservative" graph, there would be a big bulge in the middle that is probably highest *just* left of center (as defined in the U.S.) but with a very short tail towards liberal extremism and a relatively longer tail towards conservative extremism.

I think we see conservative voices and opinions getting into trouble because this forum has more and is more friendly towards conservative opinions.

There are a lot more anarcho-capitalist people here than socialist. There are a lot more people who are pro-gun than anti-gun. You do not have a strong liberal bloc on this forum espousing things like "defund the police". But the vast majority of members almost certainly sit in between the mainstream Democrat and Republican positions.

Because of that longer conservative tail, we get more conservative outliers who say things and raise opinions that upset the apple cart. We get more people who misinterpret disagreement with being polar opposite. We don't see this on the liberal side, because we just don't have any liberals saying things like, "If you're not anti-racist, then you're racist." It's not because conservative people are more prone to being that type of argumentative. Just that a certain portion of any population that holds a strong opinion will be, and we have enough people with strong conservative opinions and hardly any with strong liberal opinions.

What gets threads locked is a couple people arguing past each other to the point that all the moderates voices walk away from the conversation. The quickest way to get a thread locked is to say, "Well YOU want..." or to start making personal attacks.

We see downvotes for bringing up hot political points in expressly non-political threads (e.g. Memes) or for posting in an argumentative manner that uses straw man arguments, false dichotomies, ad hominem attacks, etc. but not for expressing unpopular opinions.

Edit: Note that I am *not* saying the more conservative members of this board are extremists. I don't believe they are. I think they are about as conservative as my aunt is liberal. She is pretty mainstream Democratic. Perhaps a bit left of median for the Democratic party, but not AOC liberal. Very active and and opinionated working for gun control. Not liberal-whacko. But liberal enough to mute on social media leading up to elections and to steer discussions away from certain topics at family gatherings.

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
9/13/22 8:50 a.m.
bobzilla said:

There is a local gun forum that is better. You can speak openly.

Being able to say whatever you want is not the same as productive discussion between a wide array of people with differing viewpoints.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/13/22 8:52 a.m.

In reply to Beer Baron :

You're right. There is everything from crazy wild conspiracy discussions to socialized medicine. About the only time you get the echo chamber is on 2A topics, but that is something to be expected. 

You can't even speak openly here on certain topics. Not a complaint, just an observation

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
9/13/22 9:00 a.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

Another observation... I think it depends when/where and how topics come up.

If things come up organically that veer into more political things, that is generally fine. If there is a major political event that is political but not necessarily partisan (e.g. war in Ukraine) that is generally okay. If someone starts an overtly hot button political thread, or brings overt politics into an actively a-political thread (Memes) that tends to get shut down either through social pressure or mod intervention.

It is entirely possible this forum you mention does have more diverse political discussion. If that is the case, I think the fact that it is smaller and local (so most people likely know each other personally) are also forces that likely work in its favor. The larger a net you cast, the harder productive discussions become.

This forum is bigger than my friends list on FB, and I see more respectful discussion here than there.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
9/13/22 9:04 a.m.

In reply to Beer Baron :

I disagree I've been called names and told to die in a fire and those threads were not locked.  I'm definitely not on either tail of the spectrum either.  I disagree with either extreme; it depends entirely on the issue at hand.  I also disagree this forum is generally libertarian.  There is a lot of demand for more govt interference and a disdain for liberty in quite a few cases.  
 

The general trend for everyone to be all cumbaya and get along at all costs fosters your thoughts.  While it's nice, it's not exactly true.  Integrity is far more important than telling little white lies or ignoring reality just to get along.  That philosophy always gets abused by bad people.  And there are plenty of bad people on both sides trying to abuse others for personal gain.  Pick an issue, any issue.  
 

 

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
9/13/22 9:11 a.m.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Beer Baron :

I also disagree this forum is generally libertarian.

Generally libertarian or libertarian leaning is not the same thing as solidly or unwaveringly libertarian.

There is a lot of demand for more govt interference and a disdain for liberty in quite a few cases. 

This is the sort of straw manning I'm speaking of.

yupididit
yupididit PowerDork
9/13/22 9:18 a.m.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Beer Baron :

I disagree I've been called names and told to die in a fire and those threads were not locked.  I'm definitely not on either tail of the spectrum either.  I disagree with either extreme; it depends entirely on the issue at hand.  I also disagree this forum is generally libertarian.  There is a lot of demand for more govt interference and a disdain for liberty in quite a few cases.  
 

The general trend for everyone to be all cumbaya and get along at all costs fosters your thoughts.  While it's nice, it's not exactly true.  Integrity is far more important than telling little white lies or ignoring reality just to get along.  That philosophy always gets abused by bad people.  And there are plenty of bad people on both sides trying to abuse others for personal gain.  Pick an issue, any issue.  
 

 

 

And you've also called entire generations less smart simply because of when they were born. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/13/22 9:24 a.m.

In reply to Beer Baron :

I'd reply but at this point there really is no point. Several times I've been ambushed for simply asking questions or offering suggestions/advise for certain topics that worked for me. Much like modern society treats lepers like me, we just sit in the corner quietly.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
9/13/22 10:25 a.m.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

there's no way this thread gets locked.

Hold my beer.....

Just kidding.  As usual, I disagree.  People can downvote if they want to.  If they are so scared and afraid of comments on a message board, then yes they should be able to autohidr them from others.  
 

I'm for freedom (as usual) to upvote or downvote.  People should be able to like or dislike anything as they choose.  

No one is "scared or afraid" of anything you have to say. 

People get tired of you being a shiny happy person about it.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/13/22 10:54 a.m.
z31maniac said:
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

there's no way this thread gets locked.

Hold my beer.....

Just kidding.  As usual, I disagree.  People can downvote if they want to.  If they are so scared and afraid of comments on a message board, then yes they should be able to autohidr them from others.  
 

I'm for freedom (as usual) to upvote or downvote.  People should be able to like or dislike anything as they choose.  

No one is "scared or afraid" of anything you have to say. 

People get tired of you being a shiny happy person about it.

And people get tired of watching the attacks happen day in and day out. You talk about others being an shiny happy person while being an shiny happy person to others. Can't we just stop being shiny happy people? I thought that this place was better than this.

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