Logan

Duke wrote:

Huckleberry wrote: Lots and lots of gratuitous violence. Dark, morose, and a bit depressing. It's well acted and interesting but I think it takes itself a little too seriously to be enjoyable to people looking for a superhero action movie. It's like going to see a Clint Eastwood western for the lighthearted murderous fun after seeing all his spaghetti westerns and getting Unforgiven instead.

This; very much this. We watched it with another couple, and at the end we all kind looked at each other and said, "Well, *that* was depressing." Gritty and violent and not even a hint of comic relief. Not a bad movie at all, maybe even good, but they absolutely nailed the lid onto the franchise's coffin with giant 60D spikes, buried it deep, and poured concrete over it.

I mean, the source material wasn't really a feel-good story.

In reply to NickD:

I don't really follow the modern comics / GNs, so I always assume the movies are pretty much their own thing. Was there a story arc or graphic novel of this?

Yeah, it's called Old Man Logan, and it was grim. Logan had been deceived into murdering all the X-men, and all the villains had finally teamed up and murdered most of the heroes and divvied up the US. There's a part showing Red Skull, who had become "president", walking around the White House in the dead Captain America's costume, and his trophy room with all the costumes and tools of the various heroes that were dead. There was also some really wacky stuff, like Hulk and She-Hulk (who are cousins) had pretty much permanently turned into their Hulk forms and had a bunch of hillbilly kids, or the T-Rex that was covered in the Venom/Spiderman symbiote. Unfortunately, Fox no longer owns rights to pretty much anything outside the X-Men franchise, so they were forced to cut a lot of stuff out and rewrite.

Saw this one last night. Loved it

But I haven't seen any of the xmen movies since the second one, and I don't read the comics

In reply to NickD:

Yeah, the omissions from Logan are like those from Civil War, in that the stories had to be rewritten to match what properties the respective studios hold. Mutants played a large role in the Civil War GN. There is also condensing the story to fit a roughly 2 hour movie.

At this point, for movie rights, Fox holds X Men and Fantastic 4, Sony holds Spider-Man, and Marvel Studios/Disney has the rest. Sony has seen the light and is now partnering with MS/D on Spider-Man. TV rights is a different animal that I'm not too certain about.

Saw it today. It was dark and grim, that much is true. It was also (IMO) well done and sets the stage for the next generation. I can see New Mutants on the horizon.

Finally. Wolverine gets to be Wolverine in all his berserker, "I'm the best at what I do, but what I do aint the best" rage. We can thank Deadpool's rated R success for allowing this I think. Yeah, I teared up twice. If you cared about these characters how could you not?

Alrigh! Finally saw it.

Holy E36 M3. That was pretty incredible. I knew this would be dark, but that was possibly even more dark than I was expecting. Great performances.

I really loved the characterizations of both Charles and Logan. How torn Logan was between caring, not caring, caring too much, and being too tired to care. I think this movie possibly did better than any X-Men story I've seen to demonstrate how truly, utterly, terrifyingly powerful Charles Xavier is.

Both those points tie into my favorite scene in the movie (no spoilers) where Charles lets loose in the hotel. He's not even fully in control nor at full power and that's just what his reflexes do. And Logan shows off not how just physically badass he is (yeah, we know he can rip a dozen guys apart), but what a pure force of will he is, and what sort of agonizing torture he is willing to endure because he cares about Charles that much that he's won't let anything bad happen to him no matter how much Charles has screwed up.

I did like the movie. I am no huge X-Men fan, but was it significant the 'tool' he used at the end (trying not to spoil) to kill the head honcho bad guy?

Robbie wrote: I did like the movie. I am no huge X-Men fan, but was it significant the 'tool' he used at the end (trying not to spoil) to kill the head honcho bad guy?

Nah. Unless that was specifically in the source book. It struck me as kind of a ham handed device that didn't make a bunch of logical sense to me.

I had a few issues with the movie, honestly. With the exception of really strong performances from Stewart and Jackman... (made the flick, actually) the script was a little weak. It's basically a 2hr chase scene with plot holes you can drive a bus through and telegraphed outcomes you could see from 20 minutes out.

• An aged, wise, savvy superhero in hiding traveling with a ticking timebomb of mass destruction being chased by a small army chooses a casino on the strip in Las Vegas as a nice discreet spot to hole up for the night and leaves his bullet riddled limo right in front of the hotel where they are hiding, then wanders off leaving his dependents alone in a hotel room? It's almost like the Wolverine has never been chased before.
• The bad guy Donald Pierce is relentless for seemingly no reason. His appears to have no malice for the Wolverine, doesn't hate mutants, does not like or listen to his boss but yet destroys everything in his path to apprehend a little girl and her friends that escaped a lab where he worked. Strange.
• Xavier kills everyone in a radius when off his meds but the Wolverine casually trusts a murderous child to administer them in his absence? And only casually gives instructions over his shoulder on the way out. Odd.

Still - I liked it. Maybe not as much as I wanted to but life is full of disappointment. Like Star Wars the New Hope Awakens.

hello everyone

In reply to Huckleberry:

It was far from perfect. But it was significantly better than par, especially for action movies these days. It succeeded at being an action movie driven by character, rather than spectacle. I cared about what happened to people.

I would have liked if the antagonists were more fleshed out and believable in their motivations. Fortunately it managed to succeed in spite of that because Logan, Charles, and Laura were flawed enough characters that they were able to create their own tension as long as the Antagonists put just a little bit of pressure on them.

As for things like the Casino and the Chryslers? Well, that was blatant product placement. This was obviously a case of a studio wanting to control the costs on a movie that they felt was a lot riskier. Hugh Jackman agreed to a major pay cut in order for this movie to be made as the R it needed to be. Yeah, Deadpool succeeded as a hard-R super hero movie, but it was made for only a bit more than horror movie money. This is a bit more like the extra budget that John Wick 2 got after the success of John Wick. Not shoe string, but still limited because producers don't see a movie like this as a sure thing.

Was a good date night movie. Best part was the Deadpool skit at the start.

Beer Baron wrote: I think this movie possibly did better than any X-Men story I've seen to demonstrate how truly, utterly, terrifyingly powerful Charles Xavier is.

Xavier power rarely gets the props it deserve. That dude in his prime could give everyone on the planet an aneurysm as a mental excercise.

yupididit wrote: That dude in his prime could give everyone on the planet an aneurysm

He is a little like Ryan Seacrest in that regard.

Finally got around to seeing it, and I was really impressed. I think the "Unforgviven" comparison is spot-on. And "Unforgiven" is the greatest western ever made, IMO. I'm not a big X-men fan, but I had seen the first one and know enough about the characters to be able to get it.

Semi-spoiler:

If X-23 is a mini Wolverine, adamantium, and all, what happens when she starts to grow? That metal ain't stretching.

Appleseed wrote: Semi-spoiler: If X-23 is a mini Wolverine, adamantium, and all, what happens when she starts to grow? That metal ain't stretching.

i want to say i read somewhere that X-23 just had adamantium claws, not the full bone structure that Logan has

also the casino wasnt in Vegas, it was somewhere in Oklahoma

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Wolverine's story is pretty dark and violent and i think it portrayed that well, i dont think they could have done the same job and kept it PG-13

Appleseed wrote: adamantium

I cannot hear that word and not think of this

Sorry for the hijack. Continue on.

edizzle89 wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Semi-spoiler: If X-23 is a mini Wolverine, adamantium, and all, what happens when she starts to grow? That metal ain't stretching.

i want to say i read somewhere that X-23 just had adamantium claws, not the full bone structure that Logan has

Yup, X-23 only has her clams coated in adamantium

NickD wrote: Yup, X-23 only has her clams coated in adamantium

That should make her "Coming of Age" sequel pretty interesting. Magnetos son? How could she resist?

NickD wrote:

edizzle89 wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Semi-spoiler: If X-23 is a mini Wolverine, adamantium, and all, what happens when she starts to grow? That metal ain't stretching.

i want to say i read somewhere that X-23 just had adamantium claws, not the full bone structure that Logan has

Yup, X-23 only has her clams coated in adamantium

WOAH! I ain't touchin'that one.