https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/14/business/russia-millionaire-exodus/index.html
these guys know what I know. Fighting a corrupt government isn't worth it. Just pack up and leave.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/14/business/russia-millionaire-exodus/index.html
these guys know what I know. Fighting a corrupt government isn't worth it. Just pack up and leave.
As this is a reasonable discussion do Americans coming to Canada feel hard done by Canadian laws around guns? Are Americans aware there is no Second amendment rights in Canada?
Fueled by Caffeine said:In reply to Boost_Crazy :
I live in minnespolis and have friends who had their brothers restaurant burned down in the George Floyd riots( thanks out of towner boog boys).
Are you saying the riots/burning of the city was by a bunch of 'boogaloo boys' and not by other groups? Any evidence to back this up?
Also, having a gun without magazine restrictions would/should be backed due to your brother's situation.
In reply to hybridmomentspass :
They weren't the only people rioting but they sure escalated the situation. USA Today shows that most arrests were locals, but outsiders played a big role just pure violence
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protests-riots-violent-outside-agitators-minnesota/5291658002/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna2499
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/28/us/umbrella-man-associated-white-supremacist-group-george-floyd/index.html
its a pretty low effort ask for someone who lives here
as for magazine limits. I'm conflicted. If you need more than three rounds while hunting you probably need to spend more time at the range.
The fbi says most defensive shootings like 80% happen in a building where someone fetches their gun from a storage location and 2.5ish rounds are max fired. If more than 2 or 3 are fired it goes right to mag dump. So the data says you don't need more than that. But I'm conflicted. As I don't think this should be the point of regulation. I think it should be at purchase.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
The 2A is in no way concerned with hunting. Also, you should see how feral pigs are hunted if you think 2-3 rounds is enough.
The data says 20% of the time you need more than 2-3, as far as I can tell. 1-in-5 is well above the threshold for not needing something, if we allow that to be a relevant reason to limit a right to begin with.
This is the future of magazine regulations, anyways:
https://odysee.com/@TheGatalog-PrintableMagazines:6
You won't find a lot of people in jail for their political positions because, by the time it gets to that, they're usually getting shot shortly thereafter. The point is to prevent the state from obtaining an effective way of doing that. If you think the state can do it anyways, you have made an argument in support of the 2A, not against it.
Even if I wanted to leave the US, not everyone has the means to just up and go to Portugal. But it's a moot point because I love it here. Leaving is not a solution.
Turbo_Rev said:In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
The 2A is in no way concerned with hunting. Also, you should see how feral pigs are hunted if you think 2-3 rounds is enough.
how did we hunt them before ar's became standard. Sure they make it easier. But lever guns and bolt guns used to rule and still work.
About 3d printed weapons and mags. Smells to me like the people doing this now actively want to have new laws made so they can be thrown in jail. I expect this to happen.
I don't understand the " I love it here, but I need to be armed to fight my own country at a moments notice" argument. Seems contradictory.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
I love the US outdoors, its people, and its potential. I hate its government. You're likely not going to like everything about anything, ever.
You can shoot 1-2 feral pigs a night (if you're a crack shot) with a bolt action and people do. I would like to shoot 4-100 at a time because they're a destructive, invasive species with a very short gestation period and no natural predators. I would like to do this without spending days per week at a range trying to do what very few people in history ever have with a bolt action.
This is why bolt actions no longer rule feral pig hunting, if they ever did. In short, they actually don't work. Also, it's more enjoyable to hunt with a semi. So, WASR with a 30 rounder it is.
Again, the 2A doesn't care. If we want to talk about the "need" for anything to hunt with, we can just say we don't need to hunt, because we don't.
If you're the kind of person who wants to print a restricted mag to protect themselves, no one will care about the law by the time you need something like that for self defense. If you're doing it to commit a crime, you won't care about the law at all.
I suspect the government will be about as successful stopping 3D printed magazines and firearms from propagating as they were with illegally downloaded books.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/great-hog-hunting-rifles-handguns-tactics/?amp
too two guns noted there are bolt and lever. I think you're pushing a narrative becuse you want the answer to fit the question. Your assertion thst they don't work is silly. Hit a hawg with .30-06 with reasonable shot placement and it won't work?
sure is a semi auto rifle easier. I get it. I lived in South Carolina, saw plenty of big hawgs.
Id be willing to bet flintlocks have taken many hogs.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
I said myself they work. They don't work for what I would like to do. And that's more justification than I need for whatever rifle I would rather use.
Fueled by Caffeine said:https://www.outdoorlife.com/great-hog-hunting-rifles-handguns-tactics/?amp
... I think you're pushing a narrative becuse you want the answer to fit the question. ...
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with the linked article. From the article:
I agree that a bolt action or lever is good for shooting a hog. I've used a lever action with 7mm-08.
For eliminating hogs, a semi auto is a better choice.
In reply to AAZCD-Jon (Forum Supporter) :
Tell me how I know you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
They aren't shooting just one. They are nuisance animals and they want the entire passel dead so they won't destroy fields and woodlands. They are frequently hunted with night vision scopes, fully automatic weapons, and helicopters so they can be killed by the dozens.
Don't click the link if you are squeamish or your kids are near. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW3k80Vuq34
Turbo_Rev said:In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
The 2A is in no way concerned with hunting. Also, you should see how feral pigs are hunted if you think 2-3 rounds is enough.
Just look at the non firearm solution for boar. The saufeder. Do a GIS for them and note that they all have what looks like a hilt but at the wrong end of the weapon.
This is because spearing a wild boar just makes it angry, and it will run itself through just to get to you to kill you back. So, they have the cross piece at the business end to keep it from doing that.
Hunting them from a helicopter or one of those 10' high platform buggies looks far more sensible!
Fueled by Caffeine said:https://www.outdoorlife.com/great-hog-hunting-rifles-handguns-tactics/?amp
too two guns noted there are bolt and lever. I think you're pushing a narrative becuse you want the answer to fit the question. Your assertion thst they don't work is silly. Hit a hawg with .30-06 with reasonable shot placement and it won't work?
sure is a semi auto rifle easier. I get it. I lived in South Carolina, saw plenty of big hawgs.
Id be willing to bet flintlocks have taken many hogs.
I have a semi-auto Remington .30-'06 with a 15 round mag.
I think if I do my part multiple one shot kills of pigs would be possible. Recoil is pretty stout compared to an AR-15 though.
Let's make sure everyone has easy access to semi automatics so the .005% of the population that hunts wild hogs doesn't need to jump through any hoops. I did not realize wild hog hunting trips just popped up with 0 planning needed and could happen at anytime.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
Actually Steve, we make sure everyone has access to semi-auto weapons because that's what the Constitution says. If we, as a country, decide we want to change that, we can. There is actually a process to do so. Until then...
Toyman! said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
Actually Steve, we make sure everyone has access to semi-auto weapons because that's what the Constitution says. If we, as a country, decide we want to change that, we can. There is actually a process to do so. Until then...
This is the part that's incorrect that the sensible vast majority are trying to get changed so it's standardized across the country. Minors, convicted felons with loss of 2A, and non-guardian wards do not have the access to any weapons and ensuring that they don't is paramount.
Without coming together to make that happen you end up with silly technicality end-run laws like magazine size laws.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
I've pretty explicitly disconnected the rationale for hunting from the rationale for the 2A.
My gun probably saved my life recently while i was getting pummeled by 4 men. If they knew the Uvalde kid was nuts, they need to leave me and my berkeleying guns alone, and find the dipE36 M3s that could have and should have prevented this. No gun law in this country is gonna stop bad and crazy people from going and shooting up a school or driving a truck through a crowd. I can make a slam fire shotgun with 20 bucks worth of stuff from home depot.
Don't yall see that people shoot up schools because nobody there shoots back? No mass shootings at the NRA convention, never an armed robbery at a gun show, not many folks run into a police station shooting because at all those places everyone else has guns and shoots back.
The laws on the books were not enforced so why would we make more laws?
In reply to Javelin :
Well, Congress is indeed considering end-run laws like magazine bans and AWBs.
Other laws are being considered but those are, too.
They do like their shotguns on capitol hill, after all.
In reply to Justjim75
I heard nra convention was disarmed
https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-conference-wont-allow-attendees-to-bring-their-guns-2022-5?amp
Turbo_Rev said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
I've pretty explicitly disconnected the rationale for hunting from the rationale for the 2A.
I didn't get this from your previous posts. But I do get it now. Lots of countries do this to allow for hunting and target shooting but not defense.
Toyman! said:In reply to Steve_Jones :
Actually Steve, we make sure everyone has access to semi-auto weapons because that's what the Constitution says. If we, as a country, decide we want to change that, we can. There is actually a process to do so. Until then...
Please read it again. I did not say restrict access. I said EASY access, there is a difference.
Fueled by Caffeine said:In reply to Justjim75
I heard nra convention was disarmed
https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-conference-wont-allow-attendees-to-bring-their-guns-2022-5?amp
I can tell you from members that were there this is a lie.
Id say ANYONE invovled in rioting and destroying a city is an extremist.
Im not doubting people were shipped in or went there on their own, but I just find it odd that you 'targeted' a bunch of dudes in Hawaiian shirts for the destruction.
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