In reply to infinitenexus :
Earlier in this thread I gave you some insight to East vs West Cleveland. Let me further expand on more/similar and start off with this stern advice:
Stay out of the City of East Cleveland.
That probably seems like odd advice where earlier I said you wil probably like the East Side of Cleveland. But, here's the distinction. On the East Side of Cleveland Metro, there are many suburbs, and one of those suburbs is named East Cleveland. It is its own separate city from The City of Cleveland. East Cleveland (the city) is it's own municipality. It also happens to be completely corrupt. Years and years of this type of corruption have lead the city to be nearly lawless and completely broken.
This is all very important to you because The City of East Cleveland shares its southern border with The City of Cleveland Heights (where you are moving.)
I'll just let Wiki fill in the details but to quote wiki:
- Crime: The violent crime rate of 7.69 per 100,000 residents is about twice the national rate of 3.8 and above the statewide rate of 2.85. In the same way, the number of reported crimes per square mile (168) is about five times that of Ohio (35) and the nation (32.8).
- Income: In 2018, East Cleveland was ranked as the 4th poorest city in America. Moreover, the city had a 41.8% poverty rate along with a $19,953 median household income.
You're from Baltimore so I'm sure this is not different, which is there are boundaries, often invisible, that you learn, when local, to not cross. There are areas that you drive "the long way" so as to not have to go through. East Cleveland is one of those. According to Wiki, East Cleveland is just 3 square miles of real property. In that 3 sq miles, there is not much to want. Best to just stay out. East Cleveland has just one major road, Euclid Ave and its about a 2.5 miles stretch of that much longer road (that leads to the City of Euclid.)
Keith Tanner said:
The thing about snow vs hurricanes is that your house is still there the day after a big snow storm.
Well.....most snowstorms. 4ft of heavy snow can collapse stuff though.
I'd still choose snow over hurricanes
This, what JW has laid out for you and it was this way over 35 years ago when I roamed the these streets bro, do some more comprehensive research please......this is an old part of the world with old neighborhoods etc......you owe it to your sweetie ,yourself, and most importantly ....AVI ......late
Keith Tanner said:
The thing about snow vs hurricanes is that your house is still there the day after a big snow storm.
Never lost one to a hurricane. Never felt like trying a snow storm to see.
In reply to 759NRNG (Forum Partidario) :
He has the help of a local (wife's best friend) to guide him. I just thought I'd add in a little more guidance.
All those astronauts from Ohio causing them to leave the entire planet and you settle on Cleveland as a stop gap to Canada.
Look there's a reason LeBron left twice...
On the way north take back roads not the interstate and the first town that you and your wife think looks nice that's north of Florida, stop. That is your new home. Sleep in the car wake up early the next morning and work on finding housing and jobs. It will be better than settling on Cleveland. Cleveland is the friend you have had since high school they've had no physical attraction or sexual interest in but when you're both single and available at 47 years old the two of you decide to get married and be miserable together.
Mndsm
MegaDork
2/4/21 9:20 p.m.
Stampie (FS) said:
Keith Tanner said:
The thing about snow vs hurricanes is that your house is still there the day after a big snow storm.
Never lost one to a hurricane. Never felt like trying a snow storm to see.
Snow storms are dumb. I don't recommend them.
When I moved to Cleveland it was to go to CWRU Dental School, which is right on the border of Cleveland Heights and East Cleveland, luckily right near Little Italy. Little Italy is a very insular community and quite safe.
Cops came and talked to us. Said if we left the freeway and were driving up Carnegie to get to school/home at night, to please NOT stop at the stop lights on every block. Just slow down a bit, look both ways and run the red. That's how unsafe East Cleveland is.
I lived right above Little Italy on Murray Hill, 2300 E Overlook, a big apartment building.
In reply to docwyte :
Do you have any memories like closing down The Euclid Tavern at 2:30 am? Maybe the band was The Janglers or Orobros or First Light and then if you went over to Presti`s Doughnuts in Little Italy about 3:00 am, they`d just be making the morning doughnuts. French Cruelers so hot you could barely touch them!
Personally, some distinct memories from about 1989 with friends who lived in Coventry.
In reply to John Welsh :
For one year I lived in an apartment maybe 2 blocks off Coventry. Went to Euclid Tavern all the time. I also remember some bar/pub called the Flying Lizard (or something) that had great burgers.
Presti's was good and I always went to the Feast of the Assumption, huge block party!
In reply to docwyte :
The Winking Lizard has become an Ohio Chain chicken wing-joint. Not sure of it's beginnings or if it is the same place.
Could also have been The Barking Spider, a bar pretty much right on Case Western campus. A remodeled garage (carriage house.) Great place, now closed. video of it's final day.
The Uke (Euclid Tavern) was the location of all the bar scenes in 1987's movie with Joan Jett and Michael J Fox titled Light of Day. Movie Clip.
Trent Reznor, before Nine Inch Nails also has a small part in the movie. From Trent's Wiki: After a year of college, he dropped out to pursue a career in music in Cleveland, Ohio.[14] His first band in Cleveland was the Urge, a cover band.[18][19] In 1985, he joined The Innocent as a keyboardist; they released one album, Livin' in the Street, but Reznor left the band after three months. In 1986, he joined local band Exotic Birds and appeared with them as a fictional band called The Problems in the 1987 film Light of Day.
Movie clip including Reznor
At the time, the brother of a girl I was dating was an extra in this movie, in The Euclid Tavern.
John Welsh said:
infinitenexus said:
...but snow has always had that magical feeling to me. I love shoveling snow. I can't explain exactly why. Shoveling all the snow in Baltimore during the blizzard a few years back (roughly 3 feet of snow) was awesome. I can't wait to have snow again.
There is a good chance that in early March you can still experience "the magic", as you call it. Although, we have had a mild winter. Just this upcoming week we are going into the expected coldest week to date. Temps will be just "teens" for the daytime high and maybe single digits for the night time temps.
Where you live you will be very close to the Main HQ of The Cleveland Clinic as well as Case Western Reserve University and their University Hospitals. They are the number one and number two largest employers in the metro and I would imagine that both have big IT Depts.
That is some great info to have, thanks! I'm looking forward to some snow still being on the ground
In reply to John Welsh :
That's good info about East Cleveland. I had read it was pretty bad. Sounds like southwest Baltimore, and having lived in and around Baltimore for roughly 8 years we're pretty used to avoiding certain areas in order to stay safe.
In reply to Stampie (FS) :
By the way, my wife commented that you're probably the only Floridian we'll miss when we leave this state!
Also if anyone in Florida wants a good deal on a challenge civic with lots of extras including a welder, ramps, spare wheels, etc, let me know
In reply to infinitenexus :
Definitely be sure to post in the for sale section. Post it in the parts for sale, I'm reading it as $1500ish for the welder and ramps and the Civic comes with them for free, correct?
infinitenexus said:
In reply to John Welsh :
That's good info about East Cleveland. I had read it was pretty bad. Sounds like southwest Baltimore, and having lived in and around Baltimore for roughly 8 years we're pretty used to avoiding certain areas in order to stay safe.
Yeah, like I imagine parts of Baltimore to be. Again, it is just a 3 mile square area. The municipality is so corrupt that folklore has it that the big city of Cleveland once considered incorporating East Cleveland into the big city. This would have brought the ability to save the area. But, as the story goes, the officials of East Cleveland who would have had to vote to make this happen were not guaranteed their jobs (and corruption) would continue so they voted it down.
Street video from 2016 and it has not gotten better since.
What it all means to you is don't drive through the area because a lot of the cities revenue comes from ticketing drivers passing through the area. You know, those people with money who do not live there. The main road, Euclid Ave is actually Route US20 so it is generally a busy road.
I must say I've closed down the Winking Lizard downtown more than once.
Glad you got everything squared up. There is a lot of IT in the downtown area. My aunt just retired from the Kaiser Permentente IT Team on the business analytics side. She is happy not to commute from Lorain anymore.
Not IT department but more on the sales side, Jenne is a larger IT distributor there in Avon and has a lot of sales jobs usually.
In reply to John Welsh :
Yep, that definitely looks like some parts of Baltimore. You go west on North Ave and that's where the riots happened a few years ago where they burned some places down. It's a good place to get hard drugs or shot, and not much else. In 2020 there were 335 homicides in Baltimore, which is actually less than 2019! But a record number of children were murdered. Some of these areas are just insane.
however, the suburbs were awesome and I love all the wonderful things to do in big cities. One of the reasons we want to move to Canada (among other things) so badly is that we'll be able to have all of those wonderful big city activities with a crime rate that's less than 1/10 what I'm used to. And I just got my passport in the mail and my wife's should be here in another week or so!
I mentioned driving in the area so here is probably my last Cleveland Lesson for you and this ties into East vs West too...
No matter how long you drive on East 55th street, you will never reach West 55th street.
In most cities if you are on a street like E.55th as long as you stay on that street and drive in the correct direction you will eventually reach W. 55th; not Cleveland.
Some time in the turn of the century the whole Cuyahoga County adopted a new street number system. In downtown Cleveland there is a center called Public Square. This center point is intersected by Ontario St (named after Lake Ontario and there used to be a street named for each of the Great Lakes.) Remember that the "O" in Ontario is also Zero.
If you travel 9 blocks to the East of Ontario St you are at E 9th St.
If you travel 9 blocks to the West of Ontario St you are at W 9th St.
So, in the initial example, if you are driving on E 55th St you are actually 110 blocks away from W 55th St. In the city, at city speeds, this means you are about 15 minutes from the other side of town.
Making this even crazier, this continues for about 200+ blocks to the West and 300+ blocks to the East. It was not required that all municipalities in the county had to adopt this system. Many did, but it skips a few chunks of numbers as it cuts through various 'burbs.
In reply to infinitenexus :
Well thank you. Well thank her as she's the one that said it.
In reply to Stampie (FS) :
The sentiment is definitely there from us both, and you're very welcome!
jgrewe
Reader
2/5/21 6:18 p.m.
If anybody has been following along closely, I have the Exotic Birds CD! If you are wondering why Trent left the band, the sound is electronic but closer to Erasure or Depeche Mode than Nine Inch Nails. They used to play at my friend's bar in Toledo.
Toledo bar w/ alt rock bands in the late `80's.. Frankie's?
